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I see Ursula Von Der Crazy was humiliated on her way out of China
 
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BBSA said:
Agreed, the decision should be made by the people rather than an imperialist in Bijeng
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you f-ing high on hypocrisy there bud

Donbas decided
Crimea decided
Kherson decided

if you support Taiwan's right to decide then you must also support those that already made their decision
"imperialist" Ukraine only slaughtered those people for a decade before they got a chance to vote

either everyone has that right or noone has, there's no in-between
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
you f-ing high on hypocrisy there bud

Donbas decided
Crimea decided
Kherson decided

if you support Taiwan's right to decide then you must also support those that already made their decision
"imperialist" Ukraine only slaughtered those people for a decade before they got a chance to vote

either everyone has that right or noone has, there's no in-between
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We've had this conversation before, and I would be content if the people in those regions are allowed to determine their own fate. However, it's crucial that any referendum is conducted fairly and transparently by an independent authority
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
you f-ing high on hypocrisy there bud

Donbas decided
Crimea decided
Kherson decided
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Nope. Rigged election in Russian occupied Crimea. No box to tick to stay with Ukraine. Only two boxes to tick to go Russian.

Donbas and Kherson? Care to give the percentages for and against again?
 
BBSA said:
We've had this conversation before, and I would be content if the people in those regions are allowed to determine their own fate. However, it's crucial that any referendum is conducted fairly and transparently by an independent authority
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And why would anyone want to join Russia? Where indoor plumbing rate is actually decreasing?

Good take on Russia for non-Russians, here: https://eastsplaining.substack.com/p/living-in-russia-is-hell
 
BBSA said:
We've had this conversation before, and I would be content if the people in those regions are allowed to determine their own fate. However, it's crucial that any referendum is conducted fairly and transparently by an independent authority
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and what if the referendum is fair and transparent, but the "independent authority" literally refuses to come and observe, preferring instead to honour a different political perspective?
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
and what if the referendum is fair and transparent, but the "independent authority" literally refuses to come and observe, preferring instead to honour a different political perspective?
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If the conditions for a free and fair referendum are in place I am confident that the UN would be pleased to oversee its conduction.
 
BBSA said:
If the conditions for a free and fair referendum are in place I am confident that the UN would be pleased to oversee its conduction.
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The question should be asked why there should even be a referendum. There was no grass roots seperatist party in the Donbas. It was artificially run by the Russians. Good explanation here:

eastsplaining.substack.com

The myth of the Donbas separatism

"Cause I'm TNT, I'm dynamite. TNT, and I'll win the fight"
eastsplaining.substack.com eastsplaining.substack.com
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
and what if the referendum is fair and transparent,
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It wasn't. This was posted to you before but you ignored it:

The March 16 referendum's available choices did not include keeping the status quo of Crimea and Sevastopol as they were at the moment the referendum was held. The 1992 constitution accords greater powers to the State Council of Crimea, including full sovereign powers to establish relations with other states; therefore, many Western and Ukrainian commentators argued that both provided referendum choices would result in de facto separation from Ukraine.

The referendum was illegal under the Constitution of Ukraine. It is not recognized by most countries, usually because of the presence of Russian forces. Thirteen members of the United Nations Security Council voted in favor of a resolution declaring the referendum invalid, but Russia vetoed it and China abstained. A United Nations General Assembly resolution was later adopted, by a vote of 100 in favor vs. 11 against with 58 abstentions, which declared the referendum invalid and affirmed Ukraine's territorial integrity

OSCE military observers attempted to enter the region four times but were turned away, sometimes after warning shots were fired, which was another reason given for not dispatching referendum observers.

OSCE also published a report about their observations which "produced significant evidence of equipment consistent with the presence of Russian Federation military personnel in the vicinity of the various roadblocks encountered".

The UN Human Rights Envoy Ivan Šimonović had to cancel his trip to Crimea as the current situation did not permit his travel.

A Russian journalist claimed that she was allowed to vote even after admitting she was a Russian citizen with only a temporary one-year permit to live in Crimea. "According to all the laws, this is illegal," she said in one interview. "I am a foreign citizen. How can I decide the destiny of the Crimean Autonomous Republic of Ukraine?"

en.wikipedia.org

2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
and what do you think the odds are for such conditions to EVER be in place with regard to Taiwan?
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There have been calls for Taiwan to hold a referendum on independence, which would ask citizens to vote on whether they support Taiwan's independence from China. However, the Chinese government has strongly opposed the idea, viewing it as a threat to its sovereignty and territorial integrity.
 
BBSA said:
There have been calls for Taiwan to hold a referendum on independence, which would ask citizens to vote on whether they support Taiwan's independence from China. However, the Chinese government has strongly opposed the idea, viewing it as a threat to its sovereignty and territorial integrity.
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How to tell someone has zero clue about what's happening in Taiwan.
 
BBSA said:
There have been calls for Taiwan to hold a referendum on independence, which would ask citizens to vote on whether they support Taiwan's independence from China. However, the Chinese government has strongly opposed the idea, viewing it as a threat to its sovereignty and territorial integrity.
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damn right, hence the conditions for a free and fair referendum on the topic will never exist, China would sooner go to war than to allow it, checkmate
 
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