EVs cheaper for long-distance travel than petrol vehicles in South Africa

falcon786 said:
He got a deal on the ORA 03...but there's cheaper better alternatives in the market now.Remember most of the Chinese EV's come very well specced too compared to normal ICE car rivals where you have to pay extra for stuff which pushes up the actual price you'll end up paying so using the base price on those isn't accurate.

Do this same comparison with something like a Geely Ex2 at R340k and you'll already save money right out the dealership gate!
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Yes but the article was comparing Kia to Ora.
 
falcon786 said:
Completely agreed.

It's because we have dinosaur boomers running SA who have absolutely no foresight (probably too busy with tenders for their family members too) and are only reactive once there's an outcry and the rest of the world has overtaken us.
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Remember that Sa EV we made before EVs were popular then anc gov removed financing, just like that pebble bed nuclear tech.
 
porchrat said:
You can get EVs in SA for half that price now. Cheaper than the price you've quoted for the Sonet even.

So I'm unsure what purpose this comparison serves.

I get that the particular Ora they're discussing is pricier, but EV prices have fallen.
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Im aware. They should right a new article then. Maybe that one would have some truth in it.
 
Disappointing as a 16% saving doesn't seem worth the time and effort of charging. I figured savings would be more like 50%. A Renault Kwid seems like a better idea.
 
wingnut771 said:
Im aware. They should right a new article then. Maybe that one would have some truth in it.
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but there is truth to it. The article is talking about the cost of travel for one specific trip. Not the overall cost of lifetime ownership. These are 2 different metrics.
 
The Gilded said:
Disappointing as a 16% saving doesn't seem worth the time and effort of charging. I figured savings would be more like 50%. A Renault Kwid seems like a better idea.
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Remember this is only when going on holiday and using rapid chargers, the rest of the time you charging at home for much cheaper or even free from solar.
 
porchrat said:
but there is truth to it. The article is talking about the cost of travel for one specific trip. Not the overall cost of lifetime ownership. These are 2 different metrics.
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Article fails to mention they paid R300k more than the Kia so it’s being a bit economical on the truth.
 
wingnut771 said:
Article fails to mention they paid R300k more than the Kia so it’s being a bit economical on the truth.
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(A) if I recall correctly this author bought this thing second hand a while back and is busy writing articles about his experience with it. I highly doubt he paid full price as though the vehicle was new.


(B) this is about a slice of how much you can save month-to month on running costs of the vehicle, and the actual experiences / potnetial inconveniences of charging vs. petrol, when you actually use it. It's got little to nothing to do with the initial capital cost of the vehicle. It's 2 different metrics.
 
porchrat said:
(A) if I recall correctly this author bought this thing second hand a while back and is busy writing articles about his experience with it. I highly doubt he paid full price as though the vehicle was new.


(B) this is about a slice of how much you can save month-to month on running costs of the vehicle, and the actual experiences / potnetial inconveniences of charging vs. petrol, when you actually use it. It's got little to nothing to do with the initial capital cost of the vehicle. It's 2 different metrics.
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Month to month? This was a holiday trip at freeway speeds. Normal month to month would be much more saving while you sit in traffic everyday and charge at home.
 
wingnut771 said:
Month to month? This was a holiday trip at freeway speeds. Normal month to month would be much more saving while you sit in traffic everyday and charge at home.
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yea sorry that was not the correct wording. I attempted to edit to clean it up but clearly made a pig's ear of it. I meant it's an article about your experience and costs when going on this specific sort of trip. The initial capital outlay for the vehicle within those parameters is basically entirely irrelevant.

This is not an article about the overall cost of owning an EV vs. ICE.

For example when I write an article about how tasty the fruit of a particular tree is I don't expect to have to give you the evolutionary history of the tree.
 
wingnut771 said:
Article fails to mention they paid R300k more than the Kia so it’s being a bit economical on the truth.
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Just to be clear, we paid R490,000 for the Ora used with 12,000km.

The Sonet we bought as a demo for somewhere around R350,000. Still, working off a R140,000 price difference will take many years of driving — if ever achieved.

We are currently saving about R15,000 per year compared to using fuel in the Sonet, so that's a 9-year RoI. Probably gonna have a new car by that time.

But that's not why we bought it. The Ora is just a wayyyy better drive, has a higher safety rating, and is much quicker off the line. Long-term running cost was an ancillary consideration.

The point of the article was more to illustrate typical price differences between using an EV and a petrol car in SA on a long-distance trip.

The Ora's average consumption has been roughly on par with EVDatabase's average of 19kWh/100km over the last year, while the Sonet's is actually lower than the average South African petrol car, so the actual difference might be greater.

We also wanted to highlight the benefit of overnight charging, as it can reduce long-distance trip costs substantially, something which is just not an option with a petrol or a diesel car.
 
wingnut771 said:
Month to month? This was a holiday trip at freeway speeds. Normal month to month would be much more saving while you sit in traffic everyday and charge at home.
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Yeah i have a proper car for holiday trips (So wouldnt do ev unless its some challenge and within 300km) but am buying a Geely E2 for work in JHB as a 2nd car keen to see how it will go. (Any highway driving to be honest isnt ideal for the Eletric Cars) But with sitting in traffic the Ev is gonna be so ideal.
 
Our return trip took 40 minutes longer than Google Maps estimated without stops. One 15-minute stop was for a bathroom break without charging.

The only stop for charging took about 25 minutes, and by that time, we had driven 264km over nearly three hours, so it was a pretty sensible thing to take a break anyway.

We could have charged for shorter as we arrived with 17% at home and probably another 50km or so to spare. Would also have saved more money that way.
 
Hanno Labuschagne said:
Just to be clear, we paid R490,000 for the Ora used with 12,000km.

The Sonet we bought as a demo for somewhere around R350,000. Still, working off a R140,000 price difference will take many years of driving — if ever achieved.

We are currently saving about R15,000 per year compared to using fuel in the Sonet, so that's a 9-year RoI. Probably gonna have a new car by that time.

But that's not why we bought it. The Ora is just a wayyyy better drive, has a higher safety rating, and is much quicker off the line. Long-term running cost was an ancillary consideration.

The point of the article was more to illustrate typical price differences between using an EV and a petrol car in SA on a long-distance trip.

The Ora's average consumption has been roughly on par with EVDatabase's average of 19kWh/100km over the last year, while the Sonet's is actually lower than the average South African petrol car, so the actual difference might be greater.

We also wanted to highlight the benefit of overnight charging, as it can reduce long-distance trip costs substantially, something which is just not an option with a petrol or a diesel car.
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That can be a future article of places that offer cheap/free overnight charging.
 
Hanno Labuschagne said:
Our return trip took 40 minutes longer than Google Maps estimated without stops. One 15-minute stop was for a bathroom break without charging.

The only stop for charging took about 25 minutes, and by that time, we had driven 264km over nearly three hours, so it was a pretty sensible thing to take a break anyway.

We could have charged for shorter as we arrived with 17% at home and probably another 50km or so to spare. Would also have saved more money that way.
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88km/h ave speed? Were you hypermiling?
 
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