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Next Thing said:
She is a case manager with one of the private hospitals.

Within the last 3 months they had a death caused by this. Guy was under 30. He was a confirmed heavy vaper. There is no cure for this other than a transplant.


Like it or not vaping is not as safe as people would like you to believe. Some of the known culprits that cause the above are widely used in the vape industry.
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tetrasect said:
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Yeah, just like Venezuela it's all been about the oil. Not the people. Which if the latter were the case would be the only way I would have any support for those wars.

I hear the Venezuela oil pays for the entire Iran war... Only thing is - Clearly the people of Venezuela, their lives are still ridiculously bad.

The magnitude of the callous greed of the Trump admin.
 
TrueSeeker said:
Yeah, just like Venezuela it's all been about the oil. Not the people. Which if the latter were the case would be the only way I would have any support for those wars.

I hear the Venezuela oil pays for the entire Iran war... Only thing is - Clearly the people of Venezuela, their lives are still ridiculously bad.

The magnitude of the callous greed of the Trump admin.
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It has always been about the grift. Trump is arguably the worst in recent times.
 
tetrasect said:
Tobacco companies sell cigarettes, not vapes.

Trump admin is right on this one.

Zero deaths, cancer cases, any kind of disease or anything even remotely life-threatening or even significantly harmful associated with vapes.

Banning them is pure BS and it's exactly what the tobacco companies want.
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A large share of the vape (and nicotine pouch) market is owned by traditional tobacco companies (Big Tobacco)…

Few things more irritating than young ignorant pseudo intellectual know it alls.
 
tetrasect said:
Yeah that search result is pure anti-vaping propaganda and is complete and utter BS.

As is your statement that your wife has "Seen a few deaths in younger people" due to vaping.

Get lost, troll.
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Dude, you are totally wrong on this. Nicotine is damaging at low levels and its addictive at very low levels.

Have a go and try to last 2 weeks on nicotine free vapes and come back and say you are not addicted.

I think its not a vaping vs smoking issue, it's a toxic addictive substance issue. The nicotine content should trigger regulation, along with any other toxins.
 
capd said:
A large share of the vape (and nicotine pouch) market is owned by traditional tobacco companies (Big Tobacco)…

Few things more irritating than young ignorant pseudo intellectual know it alls.
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Addiction to substances and political extremists have that in common. Denial and willingness to make decisions against rational throught.
 
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Sapphiron said:
Dude, you are totally wrong on this. Nicotine is damaging at low levels and its addictive at very low levels.
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Look at the post I was answering. The guy was claiming that his wife had a bunch of young people die from vaping which is complete crap. Then he linked to some insane misinformation claiming vaping causes popcorn lung and vape juice is packed with cancer-causing chemicals and heavy metals and a whole bunch of complete shite.

Hence my reply.

I answered your post about nicotine in another reply already. The post just you responded to had nothing at all to do with nicotine.

Sapphiron said:
Have a go and try to last 2 weeks on nicotine free vapes and come back and say you are not addicted.
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I actually did do that and eventually stopped vaping altogether (and I know many people who have quit cigarettes thanks to vaping and no longer vape either). But after about a year I thought "why did I do that?" and started vaping again. Cause I actually enjoy the flavours. I have a box of several hundred bottles of fruit and candy flavour concentrates and mix up a new and unique batch every time.
As I said, I am down to 0.5mg/ml and if I leave my vape at home for the day I don't even think about it.

On the subject, pure nicotine is much harder to get addicted to than cigarette smoke. Cause tobacco smoke contains a whole wack of monoamine oxidase inhibitors, alkaloids that bind to opioid receptors and other chemicals which multiply the addictive effect of nicotine (like acetaldehyde, which reacts with dopamine to create salsolinol).

Nicotine addiction also depends largely on the dopamine response from sudden ramping up to high blood-nicotine levels, which is why nicotine patches do not cause addiction, and why vaping has a far, far lower addiction potential since the dosage is much lower and without the added chemicals in tobacco smoke, does not spike up as much or as fast.

Like I said previously, people who vape tend to lower their nicotine concentration over time. If it was that addictive you would expect the opposite.

There is a reason why vaping is the best smoking cessation tool, by far.

Sapphiron said:
I think its not a vaping vs smoking issue, it's a toxic addictive substance issue. The nicotine content should trigger regulation, along with any other toxins.
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Nicotine is regulated. That's not the issue. They are trying to regulate flavours. Like "bubblegum flavour is illegal now" kind of BS. They are trying to make all vape devices illegal until they have been "authorized" by the government. It doesn't make any sense.

What they should be doing is regulating the nicotine concentration in vape juices and banning disposable vapes.

Also, vape juice is made up of vegetable glycerin, propylene glycol, nicotine and food grade flavourings. That's it.
Anyone who says vape juice contains a bunch of toxic chemicals is talking pure crap.
 
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