People who paid E-tolls will not get a refund: Cabinet

garyc said:
The debt on the tolls prescribes after three years, meaning that most of it is no longer payable. If they wait another ten months before fully implementing this (which is easy for the government), then all of the debt will have prescribed. With no outstanding debt the case for refunds will be moot.
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Debt to the state doesn't prescribe, and Sanral is considered an entity of the state
 
Smiggles said:
People actually paid? There's s sucker born every minute.
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Here are the stats.

You can see here that most people immediately decided not to pay.

I am guessing the folks who use the road every day who received
high bill, and many could not afford it, which would make the budget much more difficult.

There are then the people who are so fearful of the government
and who can easily afford to pay, who just pay forever.
I knew a girl that receive over R100k per month, and
she said she would rather pay than get into any issues.


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Speedster said:
Debt to the state doesn't prescribe, and Sanral is considered an entity of the state
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SANRAL has claimed that the toll is a tax, which would prescribe after 30 years. OUTA pointed out that SANRAL is a state-owned company rather than the state itself, so this does not apply.
 
Insint said:
There are then the people who are so fearful of the government
and who can easily afford to pay, who just pay forever.
I knew a girl that receive over R100k per month, and
she said she would rather pay than get into any issues.


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This is probably one of the things that grated me the most about South Africa/South Africans. The middle classes and above simply don’t protest, don’t take a stand, simply roll over comply. Such a subservient tax paying class must be so nice for a socialist nationalist regime, which is probably why we have been ruled by one for the past 70 odd years.

Apartheid would never have survived if the middle classes actually took a stand - just like the ANC criminal empire would also never have taken hold.
 
Zellephant said:
This is probably one of the things that grated me the most about South Africa/South Africans. The middle classes and above simply don’t protest, don’t take a stand, simply roll over comply. Such a subservient tax paying class must be so nice for a socialist nationalist regime, which is probably why we have been ruled by one for the past 70 odd years.

Apartheid would never have survived if the middle classes actually took a stand - just like the ANC criminal empire would also never have taken hold.
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Apartheid you mean the thing that had laws based on skin colour.
I did not realise it has gone away.
 
garyc said:
The debt on the tolls prescribes after three years, meaning that most of it is no longer payable. If they wait another ten months before fully implementing this (which is easy for the government), then all of the debt will have prescribed. With no outstanding debt the case for refunds will be moot.
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Its only debt if you signed the contract which most people never did
 
garyc said:
The debt on the tolls prescribes after three years, meaning that most of it is no longer payable. If they wait another ten months before fully implementing this (which is easy for the government), then all of the debt will have prescribed. With no outstanding debt the case for refunds will be moot.
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I'm not so sure.

The prescription act has this:
11. Periods of prescription of debts
The periods of prescription of debts shall be the following—
(a) 30 years in respect of—
(i) any debt secured by mortgage bond;
(ii) any judgment debt;
(iii) any debt in respect of any taxation imposed or levied by or under any law;
(iv) any debt owed to the State in respect of any share of the profits, royalties or any similar consideration payable in respect of the right to mine minerals or other substances;
(b) 15 years in respect of any debt owed to the State and arising out of an advance or loan of money or a sale or lease of land by the State to the debtor, unless a longer period applies in respect of the debt in question in terms of paragraph (a);
(c) six years in respect of a debt arising from a bill of exchange or other negotiable instrument or from a notarial contract, unless a longer period applies in respect of the debt in question in terms of paragraph (a) or (b);
(d) save where an Act of Parliament provides otherwise, three years in respect of any other debt.
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garyc said:
SANRAL has claimed that the toll is a tax, which would prescribe after 30 years. OUTA pointed out that SANRAL is a state-owned company rather than the state itself, so this does not apply.
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If it is charged under a law, the 30 years apply. (at least how I read that)
 
NR7 said:
Do you pay income tax or fuel levies?
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You got taken for a p**s. No-one asked you to admit it.
Accept it, learn from it, move on.

Coming on here and telling people that because they're forced to pay certain taxes they cannot avoid in the current system (that should absolutely be changed) they should also just pay every into f**ing optional money black hole the ANC sets up on a whim is not the way.
 
Everyone has paid for this, in spades. Who do you think pays the cancellation clauses for all of this infrastructure and hardware, plus the loss of proceeds from this non-compliance? Taxpayer.
 
The Darkness said:
Everyone has paid for this, in spades. Who do you think pays the cancellation clauses for all of this infrastructure and hardware, plus the loss of proceeds from this non-compliance? Taxpayer.
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It would have essentially been a "subscription" that you would have paid for indefinitely.
Let's not pretend that the failure of e-tolls was in no way a win. Sending a message alone was worth it.
There's a reason these c*nts wanted it to work so badly.
 
Sanral should support SAPO one last time and send out statements showing a zero balance.
 
So illegally holding payment pays off, again...
 
Bad Ballie said:
Strange how so many people just comply without question and think themsleve 'virtuous' instead of what they really are which is cowardly.
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hahahahah. Like i said, i will feel like a coward the moment people against Gov actually go against Gov and stop paying SARS and tells them they're not paying them. Otherwise its just picking easy targets.
 
I never paid any of the bills i got, because the vehicle in the bill was not mine. Sent the dispute in and never heard anything back. Plus last time i drove on those roads they were owned by another government, had been paid for by the people in taxes, and the repairs had all been paid for by the Johannesburg Metro as well.
 
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