South African freight firms brace for mass anti-migrant protests

[porchrat]

Wouldn't we be able to gauge the size of the population that's informally employed by how many have active bank accounts? If money is coming in and going out they can be counted as "employed" those that remain are either destitute or of the small amount of people who don't have a bank account.

Informal economy is almost exclusively cash.

 

[ArmatageShanks]

Informal economy is almost exclusively cash.

I wonder though, seems unlikely to me.

 

[porchrat]

I wonder though, seems unlikely to me.

I can easily believe it. It's spaza shops, taxis etc.. Everybody is using cash there. Small denominations. Nobody wants SARS involved. The moment it goes through banks authorities hungry for tax revenue can pick it up.

It's estimated this informal economy is something like 15% of GDP. Contributing something like 20% employment. Could be even higher. As it's almost all cash-based it's hard to know for certain.

 

[porchrat]

@ArmatageShanks in fact there was this woman mentioned a few years ago that runs a business in the townships selling chicken. She was pulling in something insane like R80k p/m. Basically all cash. No tax on it. Some of these people are absolutely ripping it.

 

[Craig_]

Problem is they're still blaming the wrong people.

Foreigners are certainly part of the problem, but they're a small part.

The reality is that the economy has not grown along with the population.

The real challenge is they need to make that logic jump to understand that poor economic policies are the real problem.

I assume most people on this forum are educated, and even here a big chunk of them support this nonsense, how much hope is there that the uneducated part of the country will open their eyes? Very little in my opinion.

 

[My_King]

 

[Craig_]

The masses are ignorant.

Don't get me wrong here. Getting the illegals out is a good thing. I don't think panga-wielding mobs should using violence and intimidation to do it, but that's the situation we find ourselves in now.

My concern is, when the panga-wielding mobs are done kicking these illegals out, and it inevitably doesn't solve the problem, in what direction does their anger turn?

I've already seen a few social media posts about this onto whites next, you never know with stupid people. This whole drama has the potential for a lot of civil unrest.

 

[Kosmik]

We already had a local case yesterday, first attempt at 13h30 and then again later that evening. And this is in a pretty normal suburb.

Blue security response officer India 1, India 2 and Area Manger responded to a whatsapp message on xxx group chat

3x BM was at xx xxx road removing foreigners out the property.

Situation diffused.
xxx SAPS and xxx CPF attended

 

[dualmeister]

 

[ArmatageShanks]

I've already seen a few social media posts about this onto whites next

If this happens:

Year 2030, Phone Rings, (Whites now in another Country) Hello?

South Africa: Hi, Hello, yes its Africa

Whites: What do you want?

South Africa: We are Starving

Whites: Well you should have thought of that, before you wanted "independence".

 

[Brian_G]

This isn't about race. That's just a few Malema types making extended noise as usual

 

[The_Ogre]

I think most of the problem stems not from the employment of illegal foreigners...

The problem on the ground is illegal foreigners being involved in illegal activities.

Tell me again how many South Africans are involved in prostitution rings, drug trafficking, sex trafficking, 419 scams, etc

Don't worry, I'll wait.

Show me a Nigerian owning a spaza shop, barber or selling gizzards at the taxi rank. Hell, show me a Nigerian who WORKS!

Don't worry, I'll wait.

All these crimes which require thinking and planning are almost exclusively perpetrated by illegal foreigners.

It is the only time that our people's stupidity is counting in their favour.

 

[R13...]

I think most of the problem stems not from the employment of illegal foreigners...

The problem on the ground is illegal foreigners being involved in illegal activities.

Tell me again how many South Africans are involved in prostitution rings, drug trafficking, sex trafficking, 419 scams, etc

Don't worry, I'll wait.

Show me a Nigerian owning a spaza shop, barber or selling gizzards at the taxi rank. Hell, show me a Nigerian who WORKS!

Don't worry, I'll wait.

All these crimes which require thinking and planning are almost exclusively perpetrated by illegal foreigners.

It is the only time that our people's stupidity is counting in their favour.

What's with the appeal to emotion BS, Oga? Plenty SAns involved in all those things except perhaps those romance and similar scams. CIT are perpetrated by majority SA citizens with only couple of foreigners (usually the bomb "expert").

 

[The_Ogre]

What's with the appeal to emotion BS, Oga?

What emotion BS? I'm bringing a plausible reason as to why the masses are gatvol to the table.

 

[Craig_]

I think most of the problem stems not from the employment of illegal foreigners...

The problem on the ground is illegal foreigners being involved in illegal activities.

Tell me again how many South Africans are involved in prostitution rings, drug trafficking, sex trafficking, 419 scams, etc

Don't worry, I'll wait.

Show me a Nigerian owning a spaza shop, barber or selling gizzards at the taxi rank. Hell, show me a Nigerian who WORKS!

Don't worry, I'll wait.

All these crimes which require thinking and planning are almost exclusively perpetrated by illegal foreigners.

It is the only time that our people's stupidity is counting in their favour.

There's just a many, if not more of our own people involved in crime. Chucking out the foreigners will make zero difference to our crime figures. For that we need strong and decisive leadership. The current BS is like putting a plaster on a gunshot wound. It will make zero difference. And I have a very close friend that is Nigerian, married to an Austrian lady, works in Academia, he works hard and contributes probably more than the idiots that are driving this nonsense.

I don't deal in absolutes, it creates divisions that doesn't benefit anyone. You get good and bad in every group of people, whether local, foreign, white, black or chinese.

 

[Sideshow Bob]

Show me a Nigerian owning a spaza shop, barber or selling gizzards at the taxi rank. Hell, show me a Nigerian who WORKS!

There are some Nigerians in SA academia. Mostly with PhD's.

 

[TheChamp]

There are some Nigerians in SA academia. Mostly with PhD's.

Are Nigerians hardworkers? With people raving about their hardworking foreign employees, I have never heard anyone praising their Nigerians, are the Ogas lazy like us?

 

[rustypup]

Chucking out the foreigners will make zero difference to our crime figures

...aside from the zama zamas and their thieving of cable when they fail to hit daily targets.....

For some reason, Seffricans aren't all that keen to go clambering around long abanded mine shafts.

 

[FiestaST]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2071565792919888222

 

[Sideshow Bob]

Are Nigerians hardworkers? With people raving about their hardworking foreign employees, I have had anyone praising their Nigerian, are the Ogas lazy like us?

Don't know many myself to make a judgement but SO doesn't have very high opinion of them and she has met many. She is fair in assessment so my opinion maybe biased due to her experience. Apparently, most of them are very boastful about their achievements. I suspect they "sell" themselves quite well.

I have an anecdote of a Nigerian pastor who came to see my place (I had put it up for rental) and first thing he said 'brother, this house is mine - don't give it to anyone else'. LOL.