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rietrot said:
Because that is just how civilized society works. Anyone in the street can have a conversation with you and ask wtf are you doing with 48 bottles of cough syrup.

And you would want to talk to them because that many probably means you are selling. In which case you want to talk to more people who can buy from you.

If you are just walking in the street doing nothing the police or security can ask you what are you doing, were you are coming from, and where you are going. This isn't even interrogation. It is just very normal conversation and if you cannot have a normal conversation you are likely hiding something or busy with criminal activity.
This is how we keep our community save. Nobody has privacy in the street.
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Wow.

Did you drink all of the kool-aid or did you save some for everyone else?
 
ToxicBunny said:
May not be normal, but doesn't make it questionable or illegal for OTC medication.
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You sure or are you just arguing for sake of arguing now ?

Surely, Police can question as to how he acquired 48 bottles ?


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Controlled Substances: Benylin with Codeine is a Schedule 2 (or higher) medicine. Possessing extreme quantities without a valid doctor's prescription or a registered pharmaceutical trading license can lead to criminal charges for dealing in illicit substances or possession of restricted medicine
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Sideshow Bob said:
You sure or are you just arguing for sake of arguing now ?

Surely, Police can question as to how he acquired 48 bottles ?


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Notice my mention of OTC medication (which the police have crowed about before), the codeine variant is a prescription medication and 48 of those would be questionable (and probably illegal in terms of method of acquisition)


There is clearly a codeine problem in Zim (or access to codeine related medication), and that needs to be dealt with definitely, but our police shouldn't be making a big stink about finding someone with x bottles of cough syrup, when the photo they take clearly shows OTC medication. I think in this specific 48 bottle instance there were other illegal substances, and the bottles do seem to be of the codeine variant.
 
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rietrot said:
Because that is just how civilized society works. Anyone in the street can have a conversation with you and ask wtf are you doing with 48 bottles of cough syrup.

And you would want to talk to them because that many probably means you are selling. In which case you want to talk to more people who can buy from you.

If you are just walking in the street doing nothing the police or security can ask you what are you doing, were you are coming from, and where you are going. This isn't even interrogation. It is just very normal conversation and if you cannot have a normal conversation you are likely hiding something or busy with criminal activity.
This is how we keep our community save. Nobody has privacy in the street.
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No. That's not how civilised society works.

To know you're carrying 48 bottles of Benylin the cops need to have searched you. To search you they need to have reasonable suspicion that you've committed a crime.

This isn't simply some people having a conversation.

The simple act of refusing to talk to police is not grounds for a search. The Constitution guarantees my right to remain silent and my right to protection from arbitrary searches.

The only time a police officer may search my home or my person is if they have reasonable suspicion that a crime was committed (some actual evidence, feelings are not enough), and that there is reasonable grounds to believe that a search warrant would have been issued, and that the delay in obtaining that warrant would defeat the purposes of the warrant.

Not sure what reason the cops had to search this particular fellow, but the dystopian world you seem to live in, where cops can just search you for whatever reason they want, doesn't exist.
 
porchrat said:
No. That's not how civilised society works.

To know you're carrying 48 bottles of Benylin the cops need to have searched you. To search you they need to have reasonable suspicion that you've committed a crime.

This isn't simply some people having a conversation.

The simple act of refusing to talk to police is not grounds for a search. The Constitution guarantees my right to remain silent and my right to protection from arbitrary searches.

The only time a police officer may search my home or my person is if they have reasonable suspicion that a crime was committed (some actual evidence, feelings are not enough), and that there is reasonable grounds to believe that a search warrant would have been issued, and that the delay in obtaining that warrant would defeat the purposes of the warrant.

Not sure what reason the cops had to search this particular fellow, but the dystopian world you seem to live in, where cops can just search you for whatever reason they want, doesn't exist.
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It is the people with retarded opinions like this always championing the rights of criminals that is the reason we are in this mess.
 
rietrot said:
It is the people with retarded opinions like this always championing the rights of criminals that is the reason we are in this mess.
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The thing is it's not just the criminal's rights. These are your rights, and my rights too.

You cannot, in a civilised society, allow cops the power to do what they want. At that point there's nothing stopping them flat out targeting you, harassing you and ruining your life if they want to.

Are you genuinely so myopic that can't see the destructive implications of what you propose beyond the immediate scenario with a criminal?
 
porchrat said:
The thing is it's not just the criminal's rights. These are your rights, and my rights too.

You cannot, in a civilised society, allow cops the power to do what they want. At that point there's nothing stopping them flat out targeting you, harassing you and ruining your life if they want to.

Are you genuinely so myopic that can't see the destructive implications of what you propose beyond the immediate scenario with a criminal?
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You are confusing different issues nobody is targeting you or searching your house.

What did I propose according to you?
All I said is it is suspicious if someone can't have a very basic normal conversation in a public space.

Acting dodgy is suspicious.
 
rietrot said:
You are confusing different issues nobody is targeting you or searching your house.
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Again, to know the man has 48 Benylin in his possession he must be searched. To search someone there are conditions that must be met. Refusing to answer police questions is not one of those conditions.

rietrot said:
What did I propose according to you?
All I said is it is suspicious if someone can't have a very basic normal conversation in a public space.

Acting dodgy is suspicious.
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and I'm saying you're talking nonsense. Refusing to talk to the police is not grounds for a search. You have the right to remain silent. Exercising your rights is not suspicious. It's action protected by the Constitution.

If a cop searches you and marks down the reason he did it as you didn't answer his questions... oh boy is he in trouble should that citizen decide to take it further.
 
SA police find a Zim guy. He has 48 bottles of stuff. Whether OTC or not, police will invent reasons that are grounds for a search. It is not their first rodeo.

p.s. Also in the current 'March & March' environment, all they have to do is put a video of Zim guy with 48 bottles and public will be with them.
 
Sideshow Bob said:
SA police find a Zim guy. He has 48 bottles of stuff. Whether OTC or not, police will invent reasons that are grounds for a search. It is not their first rodeo.

p.s. Also in the current 'March & March' environment, all they have to do is put a video of Zim guy with 48 bottles and public will be with them.
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And those invented reasons could be grounds for the whole case being thrown out. Fruit of the poisonous tree and all that.
 
TheChamp said:
You are going to trip yourself with all the fancy footwork, if something is not normal, it is by default questionable.
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Not from a legal standpoint it isn't.

It may be personally questionable to me, to you and to the cop... but it isn't legally questionable in the slightest for OTC medication.
 
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