Chris Nolan's - The Odyssey.

Cius said:
I do find it annoying when historic characters are re-cast as other races. I would have as big an issue if Shaka was portrayed by a white dude as with Helen of Troy being done by an African of dark skin. It makes zero sense. Put actors in the role they are meant. When you watch a movie you want to immerse yourself in the story and the characters for the most part, not be distracted by obvious inaccuracies.

Was watching a video this AM in the video thread here and there was one about facts about OG Star Trek. The last fact was awesome. It was how the actress who played Uhura in the original star trek wanted to quit after season 1. She loved stage musicals and wanted to get back to that. Actually resigned. Then she met Martin Luther King and he persuaded her otherwise. He said that he loved her character and it was the first black women role in mainstream media where she was not a maid, or someone in the background. She had power, respect, and command equal to anyone else on the bridge. He said the future should be like that, and her role was giving a lot of hope. So she retracted her resignation and stayed on. She was incredible in that role. So glad she did stay on. It opened the doors for equality based casting for so many and in he role it made perfect sense. Foresaw a future in the 1960's that was spot on as with so much else in Star Trek.

Cast people where it makes sense is all I ask. When watching a movie you should not have to suspend disbelief or see something that out of place. If the story was written about ancient Greeks, cast Greek looking people. If the story was about Vikings, cast Norse looking people. If the story was about Zulu's, cast Zulu looking people. All this nonsense about people of any colour replacing those about whom the story was originally written is nonsense and pandering. If you are worried that there is not enough casting of people of colour go find the good stories from those people's culture and tell their tales on screen with those people in the roles. If its a modern or future tale you have almost full leeway in who you cast and sure, be fair and make it a good mix.
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While I agree on the Shaka comment…in this case I feel it’s very much a Star Trek example.

I can’t say that there is any loss of immersion because of her casting.

For some reason this reminds me of the moans casting Nathaniel as Satan in the Passion of the Christ.
 
SauRoNZA said:
While I agree on the Shaka comment…in this case I feel it’s very much a Star Trek example.

I can’t say that there is any loss of immersion because of her casting.

For some reason this reminds me of the moans casting Nathaniel as Satan in the Passion of the Christ.
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I hear that, and also to the others that pointed out the fantasy element. But gonna have to agree to disagree. I am sure when Homer wrote it he pictured the story being for his culture. The characters were meant to be Greek characters. It is a Greek fantasy story. Casting far away from that look and feel is applying your version to that, I get it. Perfectly allowed. I just don't prefer that. Same issue I had with a black little mermaid for a Danish folk tail.

The live action how to train your dragon did an interesting approach where they did not try make us pretend different people were all one culture, but the fact that their village was so multi cultural was due to many nations suffering from Dragons and all those areas sending people North to try sort the issue out. The tried to make it plausible. Kind of thought that was at least a half decent attempt to address the issue unlike the shows where we are seeing black guys as French royalty in a beaty and the beast remake with zero explanation. Its just jarring for me. Probably means I am just a nitpicker. If that does not bother you I am actually very happy for you. Gives you more potential to enjoy modern cinema which I am somewhat envious of.

For me I enjoy movies via immersion into the story. Casting like that breaks the immersion for me is the best way I can describe it reducing my enjoyment of the film. That is a me problem though and for those who don't see it that way, cool. I was sharing my experience with it. And to re-emphasize, it has nothing to do with racial prejudice, it is just about immersion for me. Refer back to my Shaka Zulu example.
 
Cius said:
I hear that, and also to the others that pointed out the fantasy element. But gonna have to agree to disagree. I am sure when Homer wrote it he pictured the story being for his culture. The characters were meant to be Greek characters. It is a Greek fantasy story. Casting far away from that look and feel is applying your version to that, I get it. Perfectly allowed. I just don't prefer that. Same issue I had with a black little mermaid for a Danish folk tail.

The live action how to train your dragon did an interesting approach where they did not try make us pretend different people were all one culture, but the fact that their village was so multi cultural was due to many nations suffering from Dragons and all those areas sending people North to try sort the issue out. The tried to make it plausible. Kind of thought that was at least a half decent attempt to address the issue unlike the shows where we are seeing black guys as French royalty in a beaty and the beast remake with zero explanation. Its just jarring for me. Probably means I am just a nitpicker. If that does not bother you I am actually very happy for you. Gives you more potential to enjoy modern cinema which I am somewhat envious of.

For me I enjoy movies via immersion into the story. Casting like that breaks the immersion for me is the best way I can describe it reducing my enjoyment of the film. That is a me problem though and for those who don't see it that way, cool. I was sharing my experience with it. And to re-emphasize, it has nothing to do with racial prejudice, it is just about immersion for me. Refer back to my Shaka Zulu example.
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Yeah I get it, immersion is a big thing for me as well and once it’s broken you’ve lost me entirely.

But I’ll have to circle back on this once
I’ve seen it when it releases on Apple TV, because my statements thus far are only trailer based and I even try not to really watch those many more.

It’s a generally mixed cast so I don’t see it as a problem, would he quite different if she was the only darker complexion.
 
Cius said:
I hear that, and also to the others that pointed out the fantasy element. But gonna have to agree to disagree. I am sure when Homer wrote it he pictured the story being for his culture. The characters were meant to be Greek characters. It is a Greek fantasy story. Casting far away from that look and feel is applying your version to that, I get it. Perfectly allowed. I just don't prefer that. Same issue I had with a black little mermaid for a Danish folk tail.

The live action how to train your dragon did an interesting approach where they did not try make us pretend different people were all one culture, but the fact that their village was so multi cultural was due to many nations suffering from Dragons and all those areas sending people North to try sort the issue out. The tried to make it plausible. Kind of thought that was at least a half decent attempt to address the issue unlike the shows where we are seeing black guys as French royalty in a beaty and the beast remake with zero explanation. Its just jarring for me. Probably means I am just a nitpicker. If that does not bother you I am actually very happy for you. Gives you more potential to enjoy modern cinema which I am somewhat envious of.

For me I enjoy movies via immersion into the story. Casting like that breaks the immersion for me is the best way I can describe it reducing my enjoyment of the film. That is a me problem though and for those who don't see it that way, cool. I was sharing my experience with it. And to re-emphasize, it has nothing to do with racial prejudice, it is just about immersion for me. Refer back to my Shaka Zulu example.
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Everyone will be different, but for me there wasn't a single casting decision that detracted from the movie, and that absolutely, positively includes Lupita and Elliot. They're outstanding.

The three leads are stellar.

Pattison proving he's so much more than a sparkling vampire. Again... Charlize, Jon and Himesh are all excellent, while Samantha Morton and John Leguizamo low-key steal the scenes they're in.

The Zendaya twist is sublime, and I haven't been as invested in the outcomes for characters who's stories I know, as much as I was for Odysseus, Penelope and Telemachus by the time Matt delivers his 'bringing it all' line in a very long time.
 
Watched the movie on Imax yesterday.

It was amazing. Actors were all great. Tom Holland probably the weakest. Matt Damon and Anne Hathaway were superb.
And all the controversy is a big nothing burger. Helen is on screen for like 7 min with 2 talking lines. And the transformer dies in the first minute of the movie.

Movie was action packed all the way through and the three hours flew by.

Probably the most annoying thing was Tom Holland with his "Mom" and "Dad". It sounded totally out of place.
 
Herr der Verboten said:
9pm x update earlier…

https://twitter.com/x/status/2081450673049096221
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https://news.meaww.com/fact-check-d...yssey-from-theatres-citing-an-insult-to-homer

Fact Check: False, no credible evidence to support the claim​

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There are also no records of Greece’s foreign minister slamming the film. Moreover, the country’s Foreign Affairs Minister is Giorgos Gerapetritis, not Jostaki Barronopolous as mentioned in the post, and a search for this name yielded no results.
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Azbubu said:
So you don’t have an issue with a fictional character born by hatching out of the egg of a god disguised as a swan being portrayed by a black woman? So woke.
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Ostriches are black. (mostly)... crows and ravens are black (mostly... black swans are black... one can be black despite emerging from an egg.

marine1 said:
:D brilliant !!!
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See, it is a big nothing. Just used for a bit of exposition and stuff.
 
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