South Africans could travel almost triple the distance in an electric car with R100 worth of electricity compared to petrol

EmmanuelGoldstein said:
The transmission in an EV has oil in it, like a regular car transmission. Or did you think it was a motor directly on the wheel. There's a differential in that transmission too, just like a regular front wheel drive car
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My UK cousin has an electric Skoda. One motor for each front wheel. No transmission. She has had it nearly 3 years. The SOC is 92%. Servicing costs in that 3 years were £152 which included brake fluid replacement and front disc pads

She has figured out it costs less than 1/4 of her previous Golf 2.0 to run
 
The funniest thing is all these people telling us the battery will last 10 years or longer.

We heard these same stories years ago with Hubble and after that many other batteries. As soon as they start failing your warrantee suddenly means nothing.
 
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Zellephant said:
Unless it’s the direct drive types with an individual motor per wheel, there will always be moving parts and lubricants involved, which will need to be changed at service intervals, just like ice cars.

Then there is still all the other regular maintenance (brakes, suspension, bearings etc etc etc) just like on an ice car. This notion that EV cars are zero maintenance is a farce.
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Im not sure if you are aware that everyone can see the nonsense you are speaking.
Transmission oil is not changed every service (EV or ICE) You probably wont change it for the lifetime of your ownership of the car.
EVs generally have very simple transmissions too, as there are no gears/syncros etc.
 
calypso said:
Im not sure if you are aware that everyone can see the nonsense you are speaking.
Transmission oil is not changed every service (EV or ICE) You probably wont change it for the lifetime of your ownership of the car.
EVs generally have very simple transmissions too, as there are no gears/syncros etc.
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Okay genius. Some of us keep our cars for longer than 50k km.

I recall when lots of manufacturers started touting “sealed for life” transmissions in ICE cars, and what a disaster that turned out to be - what it really meant was sealed for the warranty period….. if you want your transmission to last, you should change the oil at least once every 50k km.

Also, unless you have a direct drive EV (and the majority - especially the larger family car types, are not direct drive), have to have transmissions - if you say these transmissions have no gears, then how exactly to they work?

How to differentials without gears work?

I am all ears.
 
chrisc said:
My UK cousin has an electric Skoda. One motor for each front wheel. No transmission. She has had it nearly 3 years. The SOC is 92%. Servicing costs in that 3 years were £152 which included brake fluid replacement and front disc pads

She has figured out it costs less than 1/4 of her previous Golf 2.0 to run
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I have some experience with the DongFeng and that definitely has a transmission casing.
 
Zellephant said:
Okay genius. Some of us keep our cars for longer than 50k km.

I recall when lots of manufacturers started touting “sealed for life” transmissions in ICE cars, and what a disaster that turned out to be - what it really meant was sealed for the warranty period….. if you want your transmission to last, you should change the oil at least once every 50k km.

Also, unless you have a direct drive EV (and the majority - especially the larger family car types, are not direct drive), have to have transmissions - if you say these transmissions have no gears, then how exactly to they work?

How to differentials without gears work?

I am all ears.
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Yes, 50 000/100 000km. While you are changing the oil in your diesel every every 10 000km because the ICE engine turns it black.

They do have a transmission, it normally has 1 fixed gear, not 6 or 7 + a reverse or a clutch. I said gear, not gears. Get it? Do you understand how this is much simpler and therefor much easier/cheaper to maintain.

Even better, why not ask the actuaries that worked the motor plan costs for new cars. I spoke to the guys that did it for BMWSA, it was 25% of the cost of the equivalent ICE car.
 
calypso said:
Im not sure if you are aware that everyone can see the nonsense you are speaking.
Transmission oil is not changed every service (EV or ICE) You probably wont change it for the lifetime of your ownership of the car.
EVs generally have very simple transmissions too, as there are no gears/syncros etc.
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Firstly yes... a differential ring gear, and maybe at most another two before it meets the motor shaft. I did see a video or two on YouTube, honestly though, people can go check them out themselves.

That oil in there definitely has a specified interval. Gearbox oil, from experience, must be changed every 50,000km. Don't be a clown like me and miss that key item and end up with bearings that are making a noise down the line.
 
calypso said:
Yes, 50 000/100 000km. While you are changing the oil in your diesel every every 10 000km because the ICE engine turns it black.
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Most modern diesels have 20k service intervals by the way, oil tech has also come a long way.

But yes. I still service mine every 10k - an oil service costs me R2200.00 (so 0.22c per kilometre). My car was paid for in cash more than 10 years ago, and even then cost me something like R150k. I don’t have an instalment to worry about now. My fuel consumption averages 9l/100km and I do around 32k km a year. So my diesel car, paid off a decade ago, costs me around 2.22/km all in - plus, because it’s ancient, it’s extremely environmentally friendly.

Explain to me again how buying a R800k plus EV (or an installment of R16k per month) is going to save me money, or the planet for that matter?
 
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Smiggles said:
Dear Lord you chuck your phone away as well when the battery goes. You know you can replace it right?
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You can, but you generally don’t, because on decent phones at least, by the time the battery is toast, the rest of the phone is also on its last legs.

Electronics are disposable, I have seen nothing to convince me the cars will be any different. In fact, the companies driving this tech want this to be the case.
 
Zellephant said:
You can, but you generally don’t, because on decent phones at least, by the time the battery is toast, the rest of the phone is also on its last legs.
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Nonsense zillions replace the battery and just keep it going especially if it's an iPhone that's supported for 10 + years.
 
Smiggles said:
Dear Lord you chuck your phone away as well when the battery goes. You know you can replace it right?
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LOL do you just randomly say things without any knowledge about it?

A 2016 Nissan leaf is probably worth under R150k now. Yet a new battery will cost you 200k
A 2016 BMW i3 is going for around R330K now. A new Battery will cost you close to R500k. That is close to what the car cost new in 2016
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
LOL do you just randomly say things without any knowledge about it?

A 2016 Nissan leaf is probably worth under R150k now. Yet a new battery will cost you 200k
A 2016 BMW i3 is going for around R330K now. A new Battery will cost you close to R500k. That is close to what the car cost new in 2016
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How many of those were sold here?
 
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Fact is, anyone buying an EV to save money, is an idiot. By all means, by an EV because you want to - and leave us luddites to keep driving what we want to.

But, stop trying to convince yourself replacing a fully working ICE car with a brand new shiny EV of similar specification/class is a money saving excersice.
 
Smiggles said:
Nonsense zillions replace the battery and just keep it going especially if it's an iPhone that's supported for 10 + years.
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I have such an iPhone mate, you don't want to be using that. It's slow, and it cannot be updated, so Safari doesn't work properly and a lot of apps no longer work.
 
Zellephant said:
You can, but you generally don’t, because on decent phones at least, by the time the battery is toast, the rest of the phone is also on its last legs.

Electronics are disposable, I have seen nothing to convince me the cars will be any different. In fact, the companies driving this tech want this to be the case.
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And we all know how the Chinese love to cut corners on electronics...
I am giving it time, sooner or later the reliability issues will be known and surface on YouTube and other forums.
 
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