What is driving the current “anti alcohol” rhetoric online

Brian_G said:
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I drink alcohol, but I haven't consumed it to this point since I was in my early 20s. Maybe a beer or 2, or a couple of whiskies on the weekend.

I fully understand the abuse angle, those that abuse it shouldn't be consuming it. This stuff destroys lives.
 
warrenpridgeon said:
"Because our forefathers did it" is literally the dumbest reason to do ANYTHING
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"because our forefathers did it" is often the smartest reason to do something, it provides some empiric evidence that a tradition conferred some kind of benefit. First investigate what the harms and benefits were before passing judgment. If the harm is not obvious, it is often better to just keep the tradition.
 
ShaunSA said:
Ah so you're more @Ockie's type

Wait you can be a panda. I sometimes have cute baby elephants or crazy pandas in my feed :cool:
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elephants? pandas?

Gay slang seems to have jumped the shark since I was in my 20s.

Back then there were bears and twinks and such... now apparently there's pandas... I assume this is some bear sub-category... not 100% sure I want to know :ROFL:

A part of me wants to say you're overcomplicating things, but I suppose there's a benefit to being hyper-specific with your preferences.
 
Moosedrool said:
Stress relief in social situations. It’s the primary driver for alcohol use. It works as a short term confidence machine.
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Perhaps this is also what drives the videos OP has seen.
It’s fairly “normal” for young people to ply themselves with alcohol to deal with social situations as they embark on adulthood. The types that have a hard time with it tend to drink far too much far too often and wake up in a ditch one morning and voila, let’s make a vidjo as i get my **** together and share it with my followers.

I really feel for people that struggle with alcohol and addiction.
 
Zellephant said:
... Me on the other hand, probably qualify as an alcoholic by many people’s definition - I don’t “need” alcohol, but I definately have a preference for having it rather than not. It’s part of my culture, it’s somewhat of a hobby, it’s an integral part of my other hobby (cooking). My life would definately be poorer if I cut out all alcohol from it. I drink wine pretty much every day, except for when I’m racing.
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That's your problem right there.
 
Foxhound5366 said:
This makes me think of the Chris Rock video on the solution to gun violence. Don't make the guns harder to get, just make each bullet cost $10 000.

Same for expensive alcohol, if it gets too expensive to over-indulge in for most people, then you've cured alcoholism right?
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Chris Rock has a brain thats slightly bigger than a pea if he said that. He probably never heard of a Reloading Bench or a Still. Human psychology - you make something too expensive and somebody makes it cheaper and sells it, or people make it themselves.
 
EthanMH said:
"because our forefathers did it" is often the smartest reason to do something, it provides some empiric evidence that a tradition conferred some kind of benefit. First investigate what the harms and benefits were before passing judgment. If the harm is not obvious, it is often better to just keep the tradition.
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Only if you look at the empirical evidence if you only do it "because they did it" no.
 
Zellephant said:
I have given this a lot of thought in relation to this thread - and especially after a few others here mentioned how giving up alcohol didn't really impact their lifestyle, and disconnecting from it in all the places it is consumed socially wasn't really a problem for them. On that measure alone, I then definitely do have a "problem".

For me to cut it out of my life would be almost impossible without completely uprooting my life. I literally live on a wine estate, my father is a wine maker. I have my own small hobby vineyard and which I make "experimental" wine on, for my own consumption and to share with friends. Another hobby of mine is distilling, and I make grappa from the remnants of my wine-making hobby, and also from pomace I get from family and friends. I also brew my own small batches of beer as a hobby. These are literally the things I do to entertain myself when the weather is bad, and I can't be out doing outdoor activities. So literally all of that will have to change for me to walk away from drinking. Then obviously also changing my diet entirely, because I will no longer be able to eat more than half of our family's traditional cuisine.

Then there is the economic side of things: I am a shareholder in a gin business; I mean, technically I could keep that position, but not consume the product, but that would make me a massive hypocrite. I am a director of a charity that is 100% funded by alcohol companies - so I would need to give that up, along with the business networking opportunities that come with that. I recently became a silent partner in my brother's new bistro (the same brother who used to have the amphetamine issues) - which means my name in on the liquor license there, and it means I attend a lot of wine pairings and so on there, which are hard to do without drinking wine.

Then there is obviously the social side of things, the friends I have made, some of them solely as a result of my wine and beermaking hobbies. So I would need to find new social circles. Then there are all the events one is invited to where there are celebrations and toasts and so on - sure there are non alcohol options for these, but they are never as nice tasting as the real stuff - and one can only drink so much sparkling water. All of this hasn't even factored in the social life losses from spending time with the old oomies sipping red wine and grappa and listening to their stories.

So, I would essentially need to completely redesign my life if I were to cut out alcohol - and I really dont want to - because it's a damn good life.
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next up we interview Walther White speaking to us about the both sides of the crystal meth industry

This issue people are having is just because an idea is socially accepted "because its always been this way" it doen't mean the idea is based in reality. Alcohol consumption extracts a massive overall harm to society far worse than most other mind altering substances. That said I I enjoy the odd drink or two but I'm not fooling myself that there are no costs involved and I have also cut down over the last few years

www.bbc.com

Alcohol 'more harmful than heroin' says Prof David Nutt

Alcohol is more harmful than heroin or crack based on the overall dangers to the individual and society as a whole, according to a report co-authored by the UK's former chief drugs adviser Professor David Nutt.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

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Tim_vb said:
next up we interview Walther White speaking to us about the both sides of the crystal meth industry

This issue people are having is just because an idea is socially accepted "because its always been this way" it doen't mean the idea is based in reality. Alcohol consumption extracts a massive overall harm to society far worse than most other mind altering substances. That said I I enjoy the odd drink or two but I'm not fooling myself that there are no costs involved and I have also cut down over the last few years

www.bbc.com

Alcohol 'more harmful than heroin' says Prof David Nutt

Alcohol is more harmful than heroin or crack based on the overall dangers to the individual and society as a whole, according to a report co-authored by the UK's former chief drugs adviser Professor David Nutt.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

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That chart says ecstasy is less harmful than weed. I highly doubt this.
 
Yes, alcohol can cause paranoia. Heavy drinking, binge drinking, acute intoxication, and withdrawal can disrupt brain chemicals like dopamine and serotonin. This imbalance impairs judgment, distorts reality, and triggers intense feelings of fear, suspicion, or alcohol-related psychosis
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To the OP, I don't think the influencers are tracking you and your alcohol consumption.
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