Kgosientsho Ramokgopa has bad news about South Africa’s electricity prices

Don't expect the price to go down in CoCT though.
Oh yeah, I definitely don't expect that.

After reading CoCT's mandate about switching everyone from post-paid to pre-paid and the hoops their logic went through to try and convince me it is much better and easier to use my phone to buy an electricity token that I need to punch into a meter, but not buy too much that I anger the electricity gods, and to only buy small amounts so I can constantly be anxious about running out of electricity, rather than just paying for electricity at the end of the month in the same transaction I am doing for my Rates, I know CoCT are full of **** when it comes to electricity.

What I can hope for though is that it at least helps the indignant households in some way. Maybe by increasing the base threshold or something.
 
What bloated work force and excessive salaries? The workforce is almost exactly the same as it was in the 80s, which considering there are a few more power statitions, HV lines and such connected since that's not bad.
The excessive salaries quoted on mybb are the average salary not the median. A few high salaried individuals can make the average way higher than it really is.
Didn't they just build 40GW in the 80s?
 
They have more infrastructure now, then they did in the 80s, plus 43k isn't bloated for what they are, just one power station would have over 1000 employees, they have 14 coal power stations, so that's already close to 14k. Not to mention the infrastructure, nuclear power station, hydro plants, solar, wind, OCGTs.
Do you want them to start using the excuse they are understaffed? Or use more contractors to pay more?
Plus it seems they were actually far higher in the 80s
Workforce Numbers in the 1970s
  • Mid-1970s (1976): According to the 1976 Eskom Annual Report, the utility employed a total staff of around 34,000–36,000 people to manage a generation capacity of roughly 12,000 MW. [1]
  • The Transition to 1980: By December 1980, as projects like Kriel and Duvha grew, the 1980 Eskom Annual Report shows the total staff employed had climbed sharply to 47,490 employees. [1]
  • The 1980s Peak: This massive hiring wave did not stop in 1980. The trajectory set in motion during the late 1970s culminated in an all-time company peak of 66,000 employees by 1986. [1]

Context of the 1970s Expansion
During this era, South Africa was facing increasing international isolation. Because it lacked oil and gas, the state-mandated strategy relied almost entirely on the country's vast coal reserves. [1]
The hiring during this decade was highly operational—focused on physical construction and engineering to double the grid's capacity. However, this "overbuilding" phase in the late 70s and early 80s eventually left Eskom with massive excess capacity by the late 1980s. This oversupply is what ultimately forced the utility to aggressively slash its workforce from 66,000 down to 50,000 by 1990. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Would you like to examine how the racially segregated labor policies of the 1970s shaped this workforce, or should we look at the specific power stations built during this

So it's not a bloated workforce if you actually want power.
Not sure where the 71k came from for the median
As a few places are suggesting the average for unionised workers is 38k

Employees in this category make up about two-thirds of Eskom’s staff and includes operational and technical roles remunerated in line with collective agreements and market-related scales.

The document included a table with a breakdown of the minimum, midpoint, and maximum salaries in the 10 pay grades in that unit.

It showed that these workers earned between R135,930 and R595,410 per year or between R11,283 and R49,618 per month.

That would tie more into the 38k vs the 71k, top heavy salaries tip the scale.
“So it’s not a bloated workforce if you actually want power.”

Seriously? 😂 That’s probably the funniest defense of Eskom so far.

You keep selectively picking numbers you think you can school me on, while completely missing the bloody point.

I never said that having roughly 42,000 employees automatically proves Eskom is bloated. I said pointing at the 66,000 employees Eskom had in the 80s certainly doesn’t prove that it isn’t.

And since YOU brought up the 80s, let’s look at the whole picture instead of cherry-picking one number.

Eskom itself says that when John Maree took over there were around 66,000 employees, with projections to grow that to 72,000. Management instead decided to cut staff and specifically said that increasing electricity output with fewer employees would have to come from improved productivity.

So even Eskom in the 80s understood the rather simple concept that more employees doesn’t automatically mean more or better electricity.

And Eskom had such an oversupply of generating capacity during that period that power stations were actually being mothballed. In the years that followed, efficiency improved dramatically and Eskom eventually achieved its goal of producing the cheapest electricity in the world in the 1990s.

So your own 80s comparison actually helps make my point.

Now compare that with what paying South Africans have had to swallow in more recent years.

Medupi and Kusile went hundreds of billions over their original budgets, with years of delays, defects, poor engineering and rework.

Then we had 280 days of load shedding in FY2023 and 329 days in FY2024.

When the coal fleet couldn’t produce enough electricity, Eskom burned roughly R29.2 BILLION worth of diesel in FY2023 and another R33.4 BILLION in FY2024 keeping the OCGTs going.

And who exactly do you think ultimately foots the bill for all this?

Us. The paying consumer and taxpayer. Logic 101.

Those billions don’t magically disappear. Neither do the costs of bailouts, debt relief, failed projects, electricity theft, illegal connections and non-payment.

Electricity still needs to be generated. Transformers still need replacing. Infrastructure still needs maintaining. Eskom still needs revenue.

And ultimately the people and businesses who actually PAY keep carrying the burden.

So spare me the “if you actually want power” argument.

South Africans DO want power. More importantly, millions of us actually pay through our arses for it... and then we’ve had to spend even more on generators, inverters, batteries and solar just to make sure we actually HAVE power.

That’s the point you keep conveniently avoiding.

You can selectively nitpick employee numbers from the 80s all day long. It doesn’t change the end result.

The proof is in the pudding.

What has Eskom cost this country, and what have the paying consumers actually received in return? F*KK*L!!!

Because after everything South Africans have paid for Eskom over the years, telling them “well, if you actually want power…” is one hell of an argument. 😂
 
Same actually, like whoops we did f#$# up
the ANC did say dont judge us on what we did now, judge us on what we did then.
like a bunch of corrupt inept criminals who somehow get all our tax money and nobody seems to mind
free to steal and loot and plunder at will and at ease and out idiotic statements by dancing buffons like the electricity minister
 
“So it’s not a bloated workforce if you actually want power.”

Seriously? That’s probably the funniest defense of Eskom so far.

You keep selectively picking numbers you think you can school me on, while completely missing the bloody point.

I never said that having roughly 42,000 employees automatically proves Eskom is bloated. I said pointing at the 66,000 employees Eskom had in the 80s certainly doesn’t prove that it isn’t.

And since YOU brought up the 80s, let’s look at the whole picture instead of cherry-picking one number.

Eskom itself says that when John Maree took over there were around 66,000 employees, with projections to grow that to 72,000. Management instead decided to cut staff and specifically said that increasing electricity output with fewer employees would have to come from improved productivity.

So even Eskom in the 80s understood the rather simple concept that more employees doesn’t automatically mean more or better electricity.

And Eskom had such an oversupply of generating capacity during that period that power stations were actually being mothballed. In the years that followed, efficiency improved dramatically and Eskom eventually achieved its goal of producing the cheapest electricity in the world in the 1990s.

So your own 80s comparison actually helps make my point.

Now compare that with what paying South Africans have had to swallow in more recent years.

Medupi and Kusile went hundreds of billions over their original budgets, with years of delays, defects, poor engineering and rework.

Then we had 280 days of load shedding in FY2023 and 329 days in FY2024.

When the coal fleet couldn’t produce enough electricity, Eskom burned roughly R29.2 BILLION worth of diesel in FY2023 and another R33.4 BILLION in FY2024 keeping the OCGTs going.

And who exactly do you think ultimately foots the bill for all this?

Us. The paying consumer and taxpayer. Logic 101.

Those billions don’t magically disappear. Neither do the costs of bailouts, debt relief, failed projects, electricity theft, illegal connections and non-payment.

Electricity still needs to be generated. Transformers still need replacing. Infrastructure still needs maintaining. Eskom still needs revenue.

And ultimately the people and businesses who actually PAY keep carrying the burden.

So spare me the “if you actually want power” argument.

South Africans DO want power. More importantly, millions of us actually pay through our arses for it... and then we’ve had to spend even more on generators, inverters, batteries and solar just to make sure we actually HAVE power.

That’s the point you keep conveniently avoiding.

You can selectively nitpick employee numbers from the 80s all day long. It doesn’t change the end result.

The proof is in the pudding.

What has Eskom cost this country, and what have the paying consumers actually received in return? F*KK*L!!!

Because after everything South Africans have paid for Eskom over the years, telling them “well, if you actually want power…” is one hell of an argument.
Right you're a muppet got it.
 
Must admit I'm surprised he admitted this so close to elections.

Last minute money grab?

Then again...
Does the voters really follow the news? Do they actually end up changing their vote?
:unsure:

"ANC will rule until Jesus come back" - Some ANC wiseman (LMFAO)
 
Last minute money grab?

Then again...
Does the voters really follow the news? Do they actually end up changing their vote?
:unsure:
Nope, because the majority can't count or even read...
 
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