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ASA just making lot of noise in the hope of getting something more than their vote/seat share.![]()
Coalition drama: ANC ‘ready for opposition’, ActionSA wants Zille out | News24
For the first time in its 114-year history, the ANC’s top seven officials locked themselves in daily meetings on Thursday and Friday to confront the brutal reality that the party of Nelson Mandela could likely be reduced to the opposition benches in Gauteng’s metros.www.news24.com
Key takeaways:
- ASA willing to work with the DA but they want Tshwane and they want Zille gone
- DA says fck you. Willing to work with everyone but no stupid demands
- ANC also wary of an ASA coalition. They see ASA as a threat to them and will eat them from within like they did in Tshwane.
- For the same reason ANC also wary of a DA + ASA coalition, because ASA will get credit in the townships for good governance and service delivery.
- ANC and DA want to centralise negotiations nationally and replicate GNU model, but ANC prepared to take opposition if they can't work anything out.
- ASA want to negotiate council by council, starting with Tshwane
- ANC coalition policy document says largest party becomes mayor. Aligns with DA's position.
Twenty years after it won almost two out of every three municipal votes, the ANC goes into Sunday’s final results declaration with fewer than one in three, and without an outright majority in a single metro.
ANC insiders said the party’s top seven, its most senior office-bearers, are licking their wounds and talking about what comes next, with President Cyril Ramaphosa thinking over his own future in the party.
And with 99% of results now captured, figures flighted on the Electoral Commission of SA’s (IEC) results dashboard put the ANC on 30.81% nationally, its worst showing in any election since 1994.
That is almost 15 percentage points down on the 45.6% it won in the 2021 municipal elections, and less than half of the 64.9% it took in 2006.
As recently as 2021, the ANC won outright majorities in two metros, and in 2011 it won seven of the eight.
An ANC insider, who asked not to be named, was far less diplomatic.
“The reality is that the current leadership, myself included, is the worst that the ANC has had,” the insider said.
An ANC veteran called for an urgent assessment of the party’s leadership, saying the ANC could not keep treating election defeats as isolated setbacks.
“Whilst there are several factors that have conspired to bring the ANC close to its knees, the organisation is paying a high price for arrogance, incompetence, dishonesty, aloofness and corruption,” the veteran said.
He also said angry voters had left the ANC “harvesting the fruits of years of maladministration, corruption, and gross indifference to the plight of long-suffering South Africans”.
Perfectly reasonable conditions and can't see which party will disagree really. Definitely this is appeal to DA.
𝗭𝗘𝗥𝗢 𝗧𝗢𝗟𝗘𝗥𝗔𝗡𝗖𝗘 𝗙𝗢𝗥 𝗖𝗢𝗥𝗥𝗨𝗣𝗧𝗜𝗢𝗡 Corruption must be treated as public enemy number one. No protecting corrupt politicians.
𝗦𝗘𝗥𝗩𝗜𝗖𝗘 𝗗𝗘𝗟𝗜𝗩𝗘𝗥𝗬 𝗙𝗢𝗥 𝗘𝗩𝗘𝗥𝗬𝗢𝗡𝗘 Municipal services must reach ALL communities, regardless of where people live or which party they voted for.
𝗔𝗖𝗧𝗜𝗢𝗡 𝗔𝗚𝗔𝗜𝗡𝗦𝗧 𝗜𝗟𝗟𝗘𝗚𝗔𝗟 𝗜𝗠𝗠𝗜𝗚𝗥𝗔𝗧𝗜𝗢𝗡 Coalition partners must support ActionSA’s position on removing undocumented foreign nationals from municipalities.
Not really relevant. Their internal voting system like many other HOAs, Body corporate or even school boards has nothing to do with local government and does not replace it.![]()
Pointing out that they have a different voting system is a [Ctrl-C][Ctrl-V] deep philosophical take on Oranian culture...
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I stand corrected.
Misread the Twitter shorthand.
No racism to claim there.
The immigration issue is problematic for both the DA and the ANC. The DA because of their soft, left leanining ideology, and the ANC because of their "pan africanist" ideology.Perfectly reasonable conditions and can't see which party will disagree really. Definitely this is appeal to DA.
Earlier, he said something to effect that ASA will not negotiate with parties that want demise of ASA, or something like that. That was clearly a dig at DA but I think he has calmed down since.
The only thing I blame Mashaba with is making all this noise and then end up going into a coalition with the DA, that is what makes the DA think they can jump up and down on his back, the same noise he is doing now is the same nose he did when he left the DA, then he later went back and went into the same coalition, while still grumbling.I really think ASA has a great opportunity to do some real good and grow their support even more over the next couple of years. Only thing worse than a bad loser is a bad winner and honestly, the way their leadership is carrying on like spoiled little brats is rather sad.
I'm not crying for Herman to go into any coalition... just think he is alienating people by being an such insufferable knob instead of accepting their wins with some dignity and making sure they actually get to do something with their wins. Instead he is acting like an entitled child
The DA will likely fail on service delivery for everyone. It's not very reasonable.Perfectly reasonable conditions and can't see which party will disagree really. Definitely this is appeal to DA.
Earlier, he said something to effect that ASA will not negotiate with parties that want demise of ASA, or something like that. That was clearly a dig at DA but I think he has calmed down since.
Hope President Moonshot will also have something to say, just to check if he's okay, I am worried about him.
If the DA doesn't sweeten the deal and don't compromise like you suggest then we get ASA and ANC +small parties. 40% is not enough to wanna be difficult.DA should be borderline uncompromising. Biggest party in a coalition get mayorship the rest of the positions get assigned based on seats brought to to coalition. No horse trading, IE JHB for Pretoria.
If they make a nation wide deal with the ANC it should only be where they get at least 30% of the positions in any given municipality.
What the DA has over ANC and ASA is that their voter base at least for now is unwavering and their only competition is the VF+ which is not a real threat. ANC and ASA are fighting over the same votes so a coalition between them will eventual just lead to either further disillusionment or one party cannibalizing the others votes.
The ANC's only way in the short term is working with the DA and claiming they are an integral part of keeping things working for everyone not just suburbs. As we've seen once they are out of power they completely implode in a municipality.
You have a lot to say ankle-biter. You're at it all day and all night.Hope President Moonshot will also have something to say, just to check if he's okay, I am worried about him.
One should not take ANC seriously now, considering voters didn't this time. DA's stance on illegal immigration is close to that of ASA. One can be against illegals while NOT advocating violence against them.The immigration issue is problematic for both the DA and the ANC. The DA because of their soft, left leanining ideology, and the ANC because of their "pan africanist" ideology.