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Sparks flew when Higher Education Minister Blade Nzimande lashed the media and opposition parties for assuming “this government of darkies is incapable” when it came to improving education.

Nzimande’s use of the word “darkies” was challenged by the DA as unparliamentary.

Later, Nzimande infuriated main opposition benches when he accused them of sending “security to shoot people in Hout Bay”.

The clashes came during the debate on Tuesday on President Jacob Zuma’s State of the Nation speech.

Earlier, DA spokesman on basic education Wilmot James had urged Zuma to “face down” teachers’ union Sadtu, which he said was crippling schooling in many parts of the country.

“The fact is that your provincial education ministers in the Eastern Cape, Limpopo, North West and Mpumalanga are undermining your education agenda by doing a deal with Sadtu which results in teachers being absent from school, teachers who are late for school, teachers who take endless amounts of leave, who, in short, neglect their duty and cannot teach,” James said.

“You have to stand up to Sadtu, Mr President. You cannot remain silent on Sadtu.You have to face down Sadtu, Mr President.”

Zuma should “stand up” for pupils who wanted to learn and grasp opportunities, and teachers committed to education, rather than Sadtu “bosses”.

“There is a gap that lies between what you say and what your education officials do.”

James slammed 2010 matric results as “suspect”. He said qualifications authority Umalusi “practised grade inflation by pushing up marks to make many pass who would otherwise have failed”.

This meant universities had to cope with “more underprepared students” while lecturers were “turned into remedial teachers, trying to fix a problem created by the schools”.

Nzimande fired back, saying that the biggest education priority was improving maths, science and literacy through assessments, teacher development, providing textbooks and workbooks, and building and refurbishing schools.

“So don’t come here and tell us about problems that we already know,” Nzimande thundered. “Don’t have sleepless nights over Sadtu. We don’t stare down Sadtu, we engage Sadtu, we will move along with Sadtu to improve the quality of schooling.

“The 2010 improved matric results are a testimony to the fact that we are beginning to put our schooling system on a much better footing. But unfortunately from the media and the opposition benches we have the same ritual every year.

“If the matric results are bad, this is taken as proof that this government of darkies is incapable. If the matric pass rate goes up, it means the results have been manipulated by these darkies. In either case, the arrogant, sneering tone of this discourse, which is often racist, frankly, is aimed at undermining the confidence of our people in both our education system and government - and they’ll not succeed in that.”

DA national spokeswoman Lindiwe Mazibuko asked Deputy Speaker Nomaindia Mfeketo to rule on whether the use of the word “darkies” was parliamentary. “It may be appropriate in casual settings, but in this house where you are required to act with a modicum of decorum it would be unparliamentary,” she said.

ANC MP Mike Masutha said Nzimande was merely quoting negative sentiments, but Mazibuko insisted on a ruling.

Cope president Mosiuoa Lekota jumped in, asking that a ruling be made.

“If a member of the opposition criticises government, is that justification for calling them racist?” Lekota said.

“Because I am an African … I have behind me members of my party who are white. If they criticise the government, is it because they are racist or because they are critical?”

Mfeketo said she would rule later on the matter.

Nzimande accused DA parliamentary leader Athol Trollip of being selective in criticism of Zuma, saying the DA in the Western Cape affronted people’s dignity with “open toilets” and sent “security to shoot people in Hout Bay” because they “live too close”.

DA deputy chief whip Mike Ellis asked for a ruling on this.

“The honourable minister is standing there and deliberately inciting us by referring to us as shooting people in the townships,” he said. “It is absolutely unacceptable that someone can stand up and make that kind of statement in Parliament.”

Nzimande responded: “I hit where it hurts, and that is why you are crying.” - Political Bureau


Some democracy we live in. First Irvine Khoza with the " K " word and now this ?:wtf:

Reminds me of the States, where its okay for an African American to call each other 'N*****S' yet its deemed derogatory/racist when used by others .:whistle:
 
When backed into a corner the ANC act like little children, too bad for them little children have more brain power.
 
I have never found the word 'darkie' derogatory... it's slang for a black person (if used in correct context)... nothing wrong with slang; this is SA after all... I am not sure about the context in which it was used in parly yesterday... I am not sure if it is parliamentary to use such slang...
 
Holy smokes. Reading that article reminded me of primary school where we all called each other names.

What a joke.
 
Where did the ANC find this imbecile? I wonder what qualifications he has, by the way he talks it sounds like Grade 8. You would expect a higher education minister to have well, a higher education.
 
The fact that it is OK for Black South Africans to refer to or use the term 'darkies' is not the problem. The problem with the term is that its use should not be acceptable in a formal forum like parliament. Nzimande inadvertently acknowledged this by making the quiet statement "That's the benefit of growing up in the Township". He also said:
If the matric results are bad, this is taken as proof that this government of darkies is incapable. If the matric pass rate goes up, it means the results have been manipulated by these darkies. In either case, the arrogant, sneering tone of this discourse, which is often racist, frankly, is aimed at undermining the confidence of our people in both our education system and government - and they’ll not succeed in that.”
It is not racist, Mr Nzimande. There is a colossal difference between opposition parties criticizing/stereotyping members of the ruling party and the racist comments you refer to.
 
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Nzimande said:
If the matric results are bad, this is taken as proof that this government of darkies is incapable. If the matric pass rate goes up, it means the results have been manipulated by these darkies. In either case, the arrogant, sneering tone of this discourse, which is often racist, frankly, is aimed at undermining the confidence of our people in both our education system and government - and they’ll not succeed in that

Classic race card, nice one Blade:p
 
I have never found the word 'darkie' derogatory... it's slang for a black person (if used in correct context)... nothing wrong with slang; this is SA after all... I am not sure about the context in which it was used in parly yesterday... I am not sure if it is parliamentary to use such slang...

I think its the question of how informal can the parliament get ... Darkie ain't really a bad word but it is mostly used when you been cynical towards the subjected person during whatever conversation you having. We don't really use the word in an amicable or coolest conversations. I say its a little too free to use it in the parliament...
 
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So some darkies are angry that some other darkies are calling them darkies :wtf: Bwahahahahahaha
And what about the whiteys ??? - "But I also want to be called a darkie"":cry:
bwahahahaaa
Remind me why we are paying these buffoons salaries please :twisted:
 
“If the matric results are bad, this is taken as proof that this government of darkies is incapable. If the matric pass rate goes up, it means the results have been manipulated by these darkies. In either case, the arrogant, sneering tone of this discourse, which is often racist, frankly, is aimed at undermining the confidence of our people in both our education system and government - and they’ll not succeed in that.”

But...just what if the matric results
A) ARE BAD
B) are manipulated?

Then what? I would surely support the education minister and anyone else if they could improve the results without cheating/manipulation.
thing is, it seems they tried to manipulate (I remember something about marking students of colour more leniently) and of asking to push the marks up....just because!

This guy dodges the issue, and again plays a stupid race card that actually has nothing to do with the situation. Diversion tactics, except my friend, those you are trying to deceive are actually educated not under your systems, and have passed without the need to inflate results. Sadly, questioning anything, just results in more "you cant do that you racist" rubbish
 
" Wit ou " " Brui ou " Darkie ou " " Char ou "

People have been fed this whilst growing up as kids. Is it really racist to call other race groups using slang lingo ?
 
The fact that it is OK for Black South Africans to refer to or use the term 'darkies' is not the problem. The problem with the term is that its use should not be acceptable in a formal forum like parliament. Nzimande inadvertently acknowledged this by making the quiet statement "That's the benefit of growing up in the Township". He also said:

It is not racist, Mr Nzimande. There is a colossal difference between opposition parties stereotyping members of the ruling party and the racist comments you refer to.

agree 100% with above statement
 
Where did the ANC find this imbecile? I wonder what qualifications he has, by the way he talks it sounds like Grade 8. You would expect a higher education minister to have well, a higher education.
He holds a Ph.D in some Education related field I think. So has a higher higher education:)
 
But...just what if the matric results
A) ARE BAD
B) are manipulated?

Then what? I would surely support the education minister and anyone else if they could improve the results without cheating/manipulation.
thing is, it seems they tried to manipulate (I remember something about marking students of colour more leniently) and of asking to push the marks up....just because!

This guy dodges the issue, and again plays a stupid race card that actually has nothing to do with the situation. Diversion tactics, except my friend, those you are trying to deceive are actually educated not under your systems, and have passed without the need to inflate results. Sadly, questioning anything, just results in more "you cant do that you racist" rubbish

The marks are manipulated..." adjusted" is the more appropriate terminology.
 
The word "darkie" itself doesn't bother me, but some other things do.

First, like the OP said, it's bull**** that you're allowed to use a word or not, depending on what race you are, same in America with "the N word".

Second is the fact that this twat ,Blade or Hammer or Sickle, whatever thinks in such terms, sees the government as only being blacks. The words used aren't the problem. It's the "us vs them" attitude. The thinking of a "white" or "black" government. Unless he and his ANC chommies get over that mentality nothing is ever going to get better.
 
" Wit ou " " Brui ou " Darkie ou " " Char ou "

People have been fed this whilst growing up as kids. Is it really racist to call other race groups using slang lingo ?

I agree. Calling a black person a Darkie is a far cry from calling him a k@ffer. ;)
 
Where did the ANC find this imbecile? I wonder what qualifications he has, by the way he talks it sounds like Grade 8. You would expect a higher education minister to have well, a higher education.

From Wiki:

He completed his Psychology Honours degree at the University of Natal, Pietermaritzburg, in 1980. His Masters degree is in Industrial Psychology (1981) and more recently he has been awarded a PhD for a thesis in the field of personnel management from the University of Natal.

It does not say a lot for the University of Natal:rolleyes:
 
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