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2 ADSL accounts, same ISP, same line?
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Pada
Executive Member
Yes it is possible, but why do you want to do that?
It is not like you will double your speed by dialing the same account twice...
It is not like you will double your speed by dialing the same account twice...
MogenNaidoo
Well-Known Member
I think he wants to split his account between local and international cap. That would make logical sense. And there are software and ways of doing this...search this forums, the guys have great information on how to do this.
Yes, my original intention was to split local and international bandwidth, but I noticed that many ISP's offer great deals to new customers. Now if my mother has an account with an ISP, and the ISP suddenly start offering a special to new customers, can't I register using my name instead of my mothers?
What I'm specifically interested in is whether the ISP's ethernet switches would be capable of handling 2 accounts from the same ADSL line at the same time. This isn't like having 2 accounts from different ISP's on one line, which I know is possible.
So is it possible? Also, will the ISP know that I'm using 2 accounts from the same line, even if I specified a different telephone number upon registration?
What I'm specifically interested in is whether the ISP's ethernet switches would be capable of handling 2 accounts from the same ADSL line at the same time. This isn't like having 2 accounts from different ISP's on one line, which I know is possible.
So is it possible? Also, will the ISP know that I'm using 2 accounts from the same line, even if I specified a different telephone number upon registration?
Srack0verflow
Expert Member
the so called 'uncapped' packages usually allows only one concurrent connection.
Srack0verflow
Expert Member
you know, i was thinking the same thing. back when i still cared about what's going on with our little zafrinet a CC meant a connection from two or more different lines. but the meaning of terms have been twisted so much these days that i'm not sure anymore.
Pada
Executive Member
MiyagiDono: could you just tell us what ISP account it is that you want to dial 2 connections with?
Here's basically how ADSL works:
So to answer your question:
Concurrent connections refer the the amount of simultaneous PPPoE connections established to the single ISP account.
If your router is in router mode (configuration A like I described above), then you would've only established 1 PPPoE connection, even though the router would still allow many people on its LAN segment Internet access.
I think the ISP can only know your telephone number if you are renting the ADSL line from them and not from Telkom.
MiyagiDono, I would suggest that you rather tell us what you are trying to do, as well as the ISP accounts that you're considering to use, because the users here will most definitely be able to give you good advise before you buy cap/sign a contract! I would strongly suggest that you ask here before buying/signing anything!!!
Here's basically how ADSL works:
- Your ADSL modem synchronizes at a certain speed with the DSLAM. eg. 4Mbps down & 512kbps up. You can only have 1 ADSL modem connected per ADSL line.
- The ADSL modem then allow you to establish PPPoE connections to the ISP's. All the PPPoE connections established over the ADSL connection cannot exceed the synchronized ADSL speed. eg. if you connect to 3 different ISP accounts on a 4Mbps ADSL connection, then they all share that 4Mbps.
Each PPPoE connection should give you an unique Internet (WAN) IP address. If your ISP account allow multiple (concurrent) PPPoE connections, then they usually don't care if they are connecting from the same line or from multiple ADSL lines.
There are 3 options here to choose from:- Let the router establish the PPPoE connection to the ISP. NAT allows multiple PC's (or other network devices) on the LAN to share the single Internet (WAN) IP address. This configuration is the default configuration, because most people only have 1 Internet account that they want to share with a few people.
- Let each network device establish its own PPPoE connection. If the PC did not dial its own PPPoE connection, it will have LAN access, but not Internet access. For this configuration to work, your router has to be able to bridge the LAN and WAN networks (aka bridge mode). This configuration is preferred where each person pays for their own cap.
- Half-bridge mode, which simply implies that the router establish its own PPPoE connection, while still allowing PPPoE connections to be made from LAN devices. Using this configuration, anyone that is connected on the network will automatically have Internet access (using the account on the router), but they can also establish their own PPPoE connections if they don't want to use the one on the router.
So to answer your question:
> No.
Concurrent connections refer the the amount of simultaneous PPPoE connections established to the single ISP account.
If your router is in router mode (configuration A like I described above), then you would've only established 1 PPPoE connection, even though the router would still allow many people on its LAN segment Internet access.
I think the ISP can only know your telephone number if you are renting the ADSL line from them and not from Telkom.
MiyagiDono, I would suggest that you rather tell us what you are trying to do, as well as the ISP accounts that you're considering to use, because the users here will most definitely be able to give you good advise before you buy cap/sign a contract! I would strongly suggest that you ask here before buying/signing anything!!!
Dan C
Honorary Master
You got me totally confused..
Ok, let's take this scenario. Your mom has a free afrihost account. You decide that if you sign up for one for their packages you get 75% as a new client. So you got two accounts from the same supplier on one DSL line... why not ??? of course you can do that !! If however you have a free or uncapped account and try and use it at two different lines, well then only you will have a problem.
edit : eish @PADA nice explanation
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Okay, the ISP in question is Cybersmart. I want local bandwidth, and Cybersmart offers 20GB for R74, but only as an addon. The addon only allows me to use either local only, or international only, not both, but I'm free to switch between them using their website. So currently I have a 4Mbps line, 10GB international, nightrider, and capsaver for R600 with them. However, 10GB isn't cutting it, so I'm looking at solutions. I can maybe negotiate a bigger cap, but I wanna start taking advantage of cheaper local bandwidth. I use 100MB-250MB per day for browsing only. That's 3GB-7.5GB.
Pada
Executive Member
You won't be able to dial the same account for local & international cap at the same time AFAIK. I might be wrong here.
Just get IS local only cap for like R70 for 10GB of R131 for 30GB.
Just get IS local only cap for like R70 for 10GB of R131 for 30GB.
R70 for 10GB or R74 for 20GB, which would you choose?
What I want to do is register a new account on my name, not my mothers. Then I'll have my router use both, my mother's and my account. What I want to know is, will both accounts be able to sync at the same time? DanC says it will work.
Also, if I get another account with Cybersmart, I get 1GB international free. So it's 1GB international plus 20GB local for R74. It's not THAT great a deal, but it's the best deal there is.
What I want to do is register a new account on my name, not my mothers. Then I'll have my router use both, my mother's and my account. What I want to know is, will both accounts be able to sync at the same time? DanC says it will work.
Also, if I get another account with Cybersmart, I get 1GB international free. So it's 1GB international plus 20GB local for R74. It's not THAT great a deal, but it's the best deal there is.
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Hi
We currently have a 1 adsl account, which we use to connect to our server and the normal browsing and mail,
At times we have a "congestion" issue.
What is the possible solutions
Don't mind either a second line and package but is it
Possible that a user connects from one line to the server and browser and check mail from another line on the same pc.
Or is there any other solutions.
Also and recommendations on someone to sort this out in johannesburg area.
We currently have a 1 adsl account, which we use to connect to our server and the normal browsing and mail,
At times we have a "congestion" issue.
What is the possible solutions
Don't mind either a second line and package but is it
Possible that a user connects from one line to the server and browser and check mail from another line on the same pc.
Or is there any other solutions.
Also and recommendations on someone to sort this out in johannesburg area.
alkit
Senior Member
With international ADSL access so much cheaper these days, its almost not worth it to bother with the complications of splitting local and international
What do you mean by congestion?
You make a very valid point. There isn't much to save by using local bandwidth. Perhaps I need to look at using a combination of various ADSL packages to get the best deal.
Pada
Executive Member
There are a couple of things that you can do about that, like:
- running a transparent HTTP proxy for caching
- using 1 ADSL line for server related traffic and another ASDL line for the other traffic <-- this is very easy to setup with a decent router/gateway
- using QoS (quality of service) to limit the traffic of the non-server related traffic <-- also not that difficult to do with a decent router
MiyagiDono:
It is definitely easier to just use a single ISP account, but it's usually more expensive to get 1 account that would allow you to do large amount of downloads + gaming with low latencies.
The advantage of Cybersmart accounts is that they're unshaped, so you should have awesome latencies in games and fast media streaming too.
Also, if you schedule your downloads correctly, 10GB + nightrider should suffice for 10's of GB's!
It might be worth it for you to actually do traffic splitting for one month just to get the feeling of how much local & international bandwidth you would require, seeing that splitting the traffic would be basically your only option to determine it. You can do the tracking of local & international bandwidth with NetLimiter or a nice router (eg. MikroTik RB750), but that would require quite a lot of advanced configuration.
Laurie recommended that I get another adsl account from Cybersmart, and use that for local only bandwidth. Now I applied for their free 1GB account using my own name and a different telephone number, now I'm using it without any issues.
Next I'm gonna try setting up my router to route local traffic through that account, and any other traffic to nowhere, and see what happens.
Then I'm gonna set up my router to route only the international traffic through my main account, and leave all the other traffic for my local only account.
If all goes well, then I'm gonna apply for Cybersmart's Capsaver and use it for my local traffic, then use my main account for international traffic.
Next I'm gonna try setting up my router to route local traffic through that account, and any other traffic to nowhere, and see what happens.
Then I'm gonna set up my router to route only the international traffic through my main account, and leave all the other traffic for my local only account.
If all goes well, then I'm gonna apply for Cybersmart's Capsaver and use it for my local traffic, then use my main account for international traffic.
Yes Necro
My Question : In a house,there is one telephone line.
Peter wants his own ADSL account at Cybersmart - it must not be affected if Sally is streaming whatever shows - it is for work
Sally wants her own ADSL account at Afrihost - it must not be affected by Peter if Peter is downloading large amounts of wherever
Can they both use the same Telephone line in order to save money? Or would a setup like this need separate telephone lines as well?
My Question : In a house,there is one telephone line.
Peter wants his own ADSL account at Cybersmart - it must not be affected if Sally is streaming whatever shows - it is for work
Sally wants her own ADSL account at Afrihost - it must not be affected by Peter if Peter is downloading large amounts of wherever
Can they both use the same Telephone line in order to save money? Or would a setup like this need separate telephone lines as well?
One Q,, there were articles a while back about the guys that downloaded TBs on their uncapped account, the article says the ISP suspect that they were running over their max speed using 2 adsl accounts. How was this done?