2023 Israel-Hamas war [Part 3]

Norrad said:
So numbers you made up from thin air? Gotcha!

Hence:

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This is why debating people like you is a waste of time. The facts are in the IPC report. But because you do not agree with it, "it is made up".

This proves that hysterical, desperate lies are what all your Palisimps' daily existence are based on.

As you were, buddy.
 
Wrath of Khan MD said:
make up your mind and answer questions like a normal debate or are you incapable
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Perhaps if you choose to stop throwing out insults every second post I would consider your questions worth replying to.

Let's try again, what question would you like me to respond to?
 
TheMightyQuin said:
This is why debating people like you is a waste of time. The facts are in the IPC report. But because you do not agree with it, "it is made up".

This proves that hysterical, desperate lies are what all your Palisimps' daily existence are based on.

As you were, buddy.
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Again your only source is:

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Or your complete lack of reading comprehension when you were reading the IPC phases 🤷‍♂️
 
Nerfherder said:
Even so the IDF have owned up to their civilian kills, Hamas claim its all civilian.
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The Gaza ministry of health releases death figures, they claim that's it's not within their realm of responsibility to denote who is or is not a member of Hamas which makes sense. I don't believe they have ever claimed that all deaths are civillians.
 
Cray said:
Perhaps if you learnt who to use the quote button people would actually respond to you instead of just chalking it up to your usual undirected rantings. Of course , you could make a actual contribution to the discussion if you disagree ,but that would require a bit of thought that you clearly aren't willing to put in.

@HeineKo is clearly in the naughty corner so all l he can do is emoji giggle at my every post, whats your excuse for not posting anything of value?
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How not who .... don't try lecture people with such shocking grammatical errors, tsk tsk.

Ps - your only 'contributions' are simping on hamas so stfu 😂
 
Cray said:
Perhaps if you choose to stop throwing out insults every second post I would consider your questions worth replying to.

Let's try again, what question would you like me to respond to?
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many many people on here have asked you normal straight forward questions, but you keep scooting around the edges. Just imagine it was a debate and someone in the audience stood up and asked you a question, just answer it.

Gaza Health ministry = 55,000 deaths
IDF = 25,000 militants killed

so just have a rough guess at what % each of those is inflated by, they are most certainly NOT under reported. Why? because it serves a narrative. Would anyone in the world care if GHM said 400 people killed? no.... but 55,000 then everyone jumps up and down in anger. If the IDF said we've only killed 3 people what would the reaction be?

so just think logically
 
Wrath of Khan MD said:
many many people on here have asked you normal straight forward questions, but you keep scooting around the edges. Just imagine it was a debate and someone in the audience stood up and asked you a question, just answer it.

Gaza Health ministry = 55,000 deaths
IDF = 25,000 militants killed
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The IDF number of militants killed is probably overstated to try to cover up the fact that they are killing an awfully high number of Civillians

https://www.theguardian.com/world/n...dicates-civilian-death-rate-of-83-in-gaza-war

Revealed: Israeli military’s own data indicates civilian death rate of 83% in Gaza war
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8,900 named fighters as dead or probably dead in May, as overall death toll reached 53,000
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Cray said:
The Gaza ministry of health releases death figures, they claim that's it's not within their realm of responsibility to denote who is or is not a member of Hamas which makes sense. I don't believe they have ever claimed that all deaths are civillians.
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I'm surprised you say this makes sense when you are questioning the IDF controlling information. Hamas have everything to gain in the propaganda war by not releasing these figures, but somehow, again, Israel are the ones criticised?

It's quite remarkable how they use our Western sensibilities against us to manipulate people like you into believing they have a legitimate cause and Israel are the bad guys. And yet these are the fsckers who would have slit your throat, live streamed it and laughed if you happened to be dancing with some friends on your round the world trip.

And yet we sit here and chat like it's a level playing field, totally overlooking the horror these cnts have caused and continue to cause for millions of people.

And previously sensible people just continue to blame Israel.

Iran must be laughing their heads off at how easy it is.

Hook, line and sinker.
 
Spizz said:
I'm surprised you say this makes sense when you are questioning the IDF controlling information. Hamas have everything to gain in the propaganda war by not releasing these figures, but somehow, again, Israel are the ones criticised?
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And Israel have just as much incentive to inflate the figures of Hamas fighers killed as it makes them look better in terms of the ratio of fighters/civillians they are killing in prosecuting this war.

Isreal make definitive claims about how many Hamas fighters they have killed, a lot of it without any evidence. The Gazan ministry of health releases figures on deaths without saying if they are fighter or civillians, because honestly, how would they know?

Spizz said:
It's quite remarkable how they use our Western sensibilities against us to manipulate people like you into believing they have a legitimate cause and Israel are the bad guys. And yet these are the fsckers who would have slit your throat, live streamed it and laughed if you happened to be dancing with some friends on your round the world trip.
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Horrific to be sure but someone dropping bombs and blowing people apart is somehow suppposed to be a sign that the West are more civilised, I guess getting shredded by a domb is quicker but you are no less dead becuase of it.

Isreal helped create these extremists by occupying their land for decades, this is not the first war in the area and I doubt it will be the last. When you kill 50 000 people, you create widows and orphans who only see that their loved ones were killed by IDF bombs, do you honestly think these people are going to have kind feelings towards Israel?

Spizz said:
And yet we sit here and chat like it's a level playing field, totally overlooking the horror these cnts have caused and continue to cause for millions of people.
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And what about the horror inflicted on Gaza by the IDF?
 
Hamas slit throats

Israel regime: it will be a good idea to support Hamas for decades
 
Cray said:
Isreal make definitive claims about how many Hamas fighters they have killed, a lot of it without any evidence. The Gazan ministry of health releases figures on deaths without saying if they are fighter or civillians, because honestly, how would they know?
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Because the Ministry of Health is Hamas. Of course they know, but it doesn't suit their puprose. They have a whole bunch of Westerners to manipulate in their succesful war of propaganda.

Cray said:
Horrific to be sure but someone dropping bombs and blowing people apart is somehow suppposed to be a sign that the West are more civilised, I guess getting shredded by a domb is quicker but you are no less dead becuase of it.

Isreal helped create these extremists by occupying their land for decades, this is not the first war in the area and I doubt it will be the last. When you kill 50 000 people, you create widows and orphans who only see that their loved ones were killed by IDF bombs, do you honestly think these people are going to have kind feelings towards Israel?
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No, they will create generations of hatred. But tbf, Israel will not be a thing in a few more years, they are doomed to cease to exist. The world has failed them morally and they are now in a 'them or us' mode, and as you say, they can't win.

Cray said:
And what about the horror inflicted on Gaza by the IDF?
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As I said, it's it's 'them or us'. Israel have tried for years to live in peace and now it's full scale ahead FAFO. This will ultimately end in their destruction and people like you who are pointing the finger in the wrong direction are largely to blame.

Just think about the post on the previous page. Israel refused a deal to release some hostages. This is now a standard justification and it doesn't raise an eye brow. The buzzword for the world is 'we don't negotiate with terrorists', but somehow that doesn't apply to Israel.

But look what we are overlooking ffs. Hostages, they have hostages. Innocent people kidnapped and enduring sheer hell, but the finger doesn;t point at the instigator, they instead use justification, as you have just done, that Israel is the bad guy and always has been.

It's one eyed BS and Hamas and Iran are rubbing their hands at how easily they have manipulated YOU.

Well done.
 
Spizz said:
It's one eyed BS and Hamas and Iran are rubbing their hands at how easily they have manipulated YOU.

Well done.
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Admit it, you think I am being one eyed because I dare to question whether Israel is doing the right thing in all of this. I think all Hamas fighters should die in a fire but apparently daring to question the great force that is the IDF makes me one eyed?

Any comments on this disparity between the official IDF figures of 25 000?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/n...dicates-civilian-death-rate-of-83-in-gaza-war

8,900 Named fighters listed as dead or ‘probably dead’ in Israeli database as of May 2025
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