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702 Journalist... Need your help MyADSL Users!!!
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ISP's also believe that this is anticompetetive behaviour an seek legal action
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?p=329783#post329783
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?p=329783#post329783
Jack Goa
Well-Known Member
-Anyone seen the new 1024k/s Telkom ad? FALSE ADVERTISING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They have the whole family online at once, stating the boy is downloading the matix movie. They should also state there that after that one paritcular nite they cant surf the net anymore.
The poor family only has one go at it a month cos of the cap!!
-Telkom so obviously are starting to loose out now with adsl available, I know people who used to run up R4000 accounts on dialup!!!
Food for thought
They have the whole family online at once, stating the boy is downloading the matix movie. They should also state there that after that one paritcular nite they cant surf the net anymore.
The poor family only has one go at it a month cos of the cap!!
-Telkom so obviously are starting to loose out now with adsl available, I know people who used to run up R4000 accounts on dialup!!!
Food for thought
Jack - have you made a submission to the Advertising Standards Authority? Go to http://www.asasa.org.za/ConsumerComplaint.aspx
Jack Goa
Well-Known Member
I just checked now, it's the latest Cosmopolitan, the one with ol' Angie on. It also states that the guys brother is playing online games in the other room!!!!! So it look more like half a nite of surfing. Tsk Tsk.
I made a mistake though, it's not advertising the 1024 line, just the normal lines192-512 business abd it states, get this, ...explorevolve.
These guys are so funny.
Anyhow if u have it, it's a 2 page spread on page 100.
I made a mistake though, it's not advertising the 1024 line, just the normal lines192-512 business abd it states, get this, ...explorevolve.
These guys are so funny.
Anyhow if u have it, it's a 2 page spread on page 100.
Jack Goa
Well-Known Member
Just lodged a complaint on that link, Mask.
I'm somme bookmarking that page for future use. Can't stand liars!!
Think more people who has seen that ad must complain, if we can't beat them from one angle then we'll nail them where they won't see it coming..
I'm somme bookmarking that page for future use. Can't stand liars!!
Think more people who has seen that ad must complain, if we can't beat them from one angle then we'll nail them where they won't see it coming..
DarkWhisperer
Well-Known Member
The Details??
What details did you use?
Name of Product? Where & When? Grounds for Complaint?
What details did you use?
Name of Product? Where & When? Grounds for Complaint?
Jack Goa
Well-Known Member
See u're new thread..
moosag
Expert Member
TUNE IN TODAY @ 4:45PM....
Interview with DotCo and Telkom... or something like that.
Response From 702 Journalist
This is excellent. This topic will hopefully spark some heat in the industry.
I will try and record if i can.
Cherio.
Interview with DotCo and Telkom... or something like that.
Response From 702 Journalist
This is excellent. This topic will hopefully spark some heat in the industry.
I will try and record if i can.
Cherio.
ajax
Executive Member
Recorded and sent to RPM!
Well done, Dotco!!
P.S. There's a bit of an echo on the audio, forgot to switch my mic off, but very listenable nevertheless.
Well done, Dotco!!
P.S. There's a bit of an echo on the audio, forgot to switch my mic off, but very listenable nevertheless.
moosag
Expert Member
Thanks Ajax.
ajax
Executive Member
Just saw your post now, sh1. RPM usually hosts it for us, but if he can not or is busy I will send it to you. I'm at home and have to go out for a while (taking my 3G phone with you see). Will check in later...
UK prices
Hi all,
Just thought I'd post a price comparison on what companies in the UK charge for broadband. The reason I am doing this is that many of the companies in the UK are forced to drop their prices to compete with others in the market. If we could get the goverment to promote fair competition to enter South Africa, we could be seeing prices more like this. Some of these have a large consumer base, so people may argue that it's due to this that they are offering lower prices. In response, it is known that the United Kingdom is one of the most expensive places in the whole of Europe. Spain, Sweden and Finland have smaller companies that are offering better rates than the UK providers.
Here is what the UK offers:
I chose one of the most expensive providers, then a fairly good provider and a brand new provider for an easier comparison.
BT - (UK equivalent of Telkom) - £17.99
Up to 2 Mb speed
Speed, email and a range of great features
Go wireless from £25
Get up to £150 off a laptop or desktop computer
Usage guideline: 2GB/month
BT highest option - £29.99
All Option 1 features, plus:
Up to 2 Mb speed
PC anti-virus and firewall at no extra cost
FREE wireless modem/router
Get up to £200 off a laptop and £150 off a desktop computer
Usage guideline: 40GB/month
Telewest - £9.99
512k broadband
Free installation
Modem Included
Free internet security
Always on
Unlimited usage - no restrictions (unlike BT, Wanadoo & Tiscali)
Telewest - £35.00 ( I have this and it's good value in my opinion)
10Mb version of the above.
BeThere - £24.00
24Mb ADSL line (dependent on how far you are from exchange)
Lowest would be about 12Mb
No cap
Now make up your own mind as to how much Telkom should charge, but before you do, consider this:
1) Telkom is a monopoly and hence has almost all the clients. They should offer better pricing.
2) The only factor that affects their pricing system is the amount they are charged for bandwidth out of the country, international traffic. The infrastructure is already in place, and the huge staff cuts they've done in the past, definitely means they have saved a huge allot of money.
Make your own mind up what you believe.
I have a friend in SAIX who tells me that they pay large amounts for international bandwidth and that their internet line out of SA is almost always at 80% usage. This is probably true, but I would like to know how this reflects on the amount that they charge. I will try to gain more info from my friend, but unfortunately he doesn't actually work in the finance side of SAIX.
Telkom has its fingers in allot of pies. This may come in handy if you ever wanted to string Telkom out to dry, but since I have worked for them and have had access to allot of confidential information (at one time at least), I can tell you the following.
Telkom will never go down as long as the goverment rules our country. 1 - Because they have people sitting in parliament who assist in many issues ranging from taxation to communications policies. NOTE: Communications policies. These are negotiated while Telkom are actually present, and Telkom have a very good stance as they provide many services to the goverment in return. Their offices are located in Cape Town on Adderly Street. Their is no sign on the door and no-one really knows they have an office their. If you knock on the door, don't be suprised if someone is peeking at you through the blinds or doesn't open the door. I can't recall the building or the floor off the top of my head. Hopefully it will come to me, it's been a while since I've worked there.
They also play an important role in how much taxes/rates you pay to the goverment on your premises and homes. What you don't know is that Telkom keeps extensive building plans of almost every business building in SA. They feedback how many phone lines you have and how much building space your office covers. A rate is then calculated from this. Only 1 person who sits in Standard Bank Towers, Cape Town, handles this information.
I also know that big companies and banks have actually circumvented Telkoms hefty pricing by purchasing bandwidth on huge satellite dishes. From the version of the story I heard, when Telkom try to buy a huge cap of this bandwidth, they were only given 10% due to every other company having gone behind Telkom's back to get the bandwidth first.
I think one of these may have been NetBank or NetCor... anyone to confirm?
Alright that's my 2 cents. Use it, abuse it.
Hi all,
Just thought I'd post a price comparison on what companies in the UK charge for broadband. The reason I am doing this is that many of the companies in the UK are forced to drop their prices to compete with others in the market. If we could get the goverment to promote fair competition to enter South Africa, we could be seeing prices more like this. Some of these have a large consumer base, so people may argue that it's due to this that they are offering lower prices. In response, it is known that the United Kingdom is one of the most expensive places in the whole of Europe. Spain, Sweden and Finland have smaller companies that are offering better rates than the UK providers.
Here is what the UK offers:
I chose one of the most expensive providers, then a fairly good provider and a brand new provider for an easier comparison.
BT - (UK equivalent of Telkom) - £17.99
Up to 2 Mb speed
Speed, email and a range of great features
Go wireless from £25
Get up to £150 off a laptop or desktop computer
Usage guideline: 2GB/month
BT highest option - £29.99
All Option 1 features, plus:
Up to 2 Mb speed
PC anti-virus and firewall at no extra cost
FREE wireless modem/router
Get up to £200 off a laptop and £150 off a desktop computer
Usage guideline: 40GB/month
Telewest - £9.99
512k broadband
Free installation
Modem Included
Free internet security
Always on
Unlimited usage - no restrictions (unlike BT, Wanadoo & Tiscali)
Telewest - £35.00 ( I have this and it's good value in my opinion)
10Mb version of the above.
BeThere - £24.00
24Mb ADSL line (dependent on how far you are from exchange)
Lowest would be about 12Mb
No cap
Now make up your own mind as to how much Telkom should charge, but before you do, consider this:
1) Telkom is a monopoly and hence has almost all the clients. They should offer better pricing.
2) The only factor that affects their pricing system is the amount they are charged for bandwidth out of the country, international traffic. The infrastructure is already in place, and the huge staff cuts they've done in the past, definitely means they have saved a huge allot of money.
Make your own mind up what you believe.
I have a friend in SAIX who tells me that they pay large amounts for international bandwidth and that their internet line out of SA is almost always at 80% usage. This is probably true, but I would like to know how this reflects on the amount that they charge. I will try to gain more info from my friend, but unfortunately he doesn't actually work in the finance side of SAIX.
Telkom has its fingers in allot of pies. This may come in handy if you ever wanted to string Telkom out to dry, but since I have worked for them and have had access to allot of confidential information (at one time at least), I can tell you the following.
Telkom will never go down as long as the goverment rules our country. 1 - Because they have people sitting in parliament who assist in many issues ranging from taxation to communications policies. NOTE: Communications policies. These are negotiated while Telkom are actually present, and Telkom have a very good stance as they provide many services to the goverment in return. Their offices are located in Cape Town on Adderly Street. Their is no sign on the door and no-one really knows they have an office their. If you knock on the door, don't be suprised if someone is peeking at you through the blinds or doesn't open the door. I can't recall the building or the floor off the top of my head. Hopefully it will come to me, it's been a while since I've worked there.
They also play an important role in how much taxes/rates you pay to the goverment on your premises and homes. What you don't know is that Telkom keeps extensive building plans of almost every business building in SA. They feedback how many phone lines you have and how much building space your office covers. A rate is then calculated from this. Only 1 person who sits in Standard Bank Towers, Cape Town, handles this information.
I also know that big companies and banks have actually circumvented Telkoms hefty pricing by purchasing bandwidth on huge satellite dishes. From the version of the story I heard, when Telkom try to buy a huge cap of this bandwidth, they were only given 10% due to every other company having gone behind Telkom's back to get the bandwidth first.
I think one of these may have been NetBank or NetCor... anyone to confirm?
Alright that's my 2 cents. Use it, abuse it.
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moosag
Expert Member
Hi guys
Got some good news. They were not going to run todays show. Luckily that court appeal came through... And I contacted the 702 Journalist and he was extatic to run the story. Anyways they do have planned another show / shows (not sure if there will be more then 1, but I have reason to believe there will be) which they will interview RPM and so on.
Anyways they apparently got some good feedback from the public today about that little interview with DotCo. There will be another show/shows before 1 November. So STAY TUNED!!! I'll keep you updated.
In all honesty someone needs to go on air and completely be-little the governments authority and label them a bunch of baboons. Coz thats exactly what they are. They are protecting their own personal investments at the expense of the rest of the countries economy.
Anyways I have done my part in trying to get the message to the public. Today was definitely a stepping stone. Lets hope we can keep this momentum and increase the pressure on the ISP's, ICASA, GV, Telkom and whoever else we need to pressurise into creating a fair and competetive Telecoms Market.
And Thanks to you all out there who provided some info for the 702 journalist.
Got some good news. They were not going to run todays show. Luckily that court appeal came through... And I contacted the 702 Journalist and he was extatic to run the story. Anyways they do have planned another show / shows (not sure if there will be more then 1, but I have reason to believe there will be) which they will interview RPM and so on.
Anyways they apparently got some good feedback from the public today about that little interview with DotCo. There will be another show/shows before 1 November. So STAY TUNED!!! I'll keep you updated.
In all honesty someone needs to go on air and completely be-little the governments authority and label them a bunch of baboons. Coz thats exactly what they are. They are protecting their own personal investments at the expense of the rest of the countries economy.
Anyways I have done my part in trying to get the message to the public. Today was definitely a stepping stone. Lets hope we can keep this momentum and increase the pressure on the ISP's, ICASA, GV, Telkom and whoever else we need to pressurise into creating a fair and competetive Telecoms Market.
And Thanks to you all out there who provided some info for the 702 journalist.
Jack Goa
Well-Known Member
well done moosag, I would add to your rep, but i se that function has been removed.
This is getting me all excited!!!
It's like real rebellion ****e!!!
hehe
Mr Tyler Dirten would be proud of us!!!
This is getting me all excited!!!
It's like real rebellion ****e!!!
hehe
Mr Tyler Dirten would be proud of us!!!
sofi said:
Agree ... new subscribers are taking up 192 DSL services, not out of choice but because of cost. Surely, Telkom should consider upgrading users like BT does when it introduces a faster service?
We started at 512 and then Telkom worked backwards (384, 192 ... thank goodness for 1024 or I would've thought we were working our back to narrow band).
Lower the price, not the speed!
The new pay-per-gig system is just another example of how we are kept behind because of cost. I can no longer afford 30G but according to international benchmarks for research that is the defacto standard when comparing services (see ITU and OECD research).
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