802.11b/g channels

ambo

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I took a look at my access points admin page the other day and noticed that you can set what channel it works on. So i did some Googling and reading:

It appears that (rather obviously) if you have to AP's close to each other - you should set them to different channels to avoid interferance. However even if they are on the same channel - they can still function fairly well.

What surprised me is that of the eleven or so channels that my AP supports - only about 3 are actually usable. But this changes country to country. What exactly is the situation in SA? What channels can and can't i use - can anyone shed some light on the matter...
 
ambo said:
What surprised me is that of the eleven or so channels that my AP supports - only about 3 are actually usable. But this changes country to country. What exactly is the situation in SA? What channels can and can't i use - can anyone shed some light on the matter...

Only 3? I am able to use 14... I sure channels 1-11 are legal. 12-14 are illegal in certain coutries, I think they are also legal within SA.
 
Many of those 11 or 14 channels overlap. Each channel in 802.11b is 22MHz wide - with only around 80 MHz in total - so therefore 3 non over lapping channels.
 
Karnaugh said:
which are 1, 7 and 11
Now is this just by convention... or is it actually a standard?
Could i use - say - 3 and 9 (which should have about the same sepparation) instead?
And if you can only use 3 channels out of all of them then whats the point of having 14 channels to set on your AP?
 
Karnaugh said:
which are 1, 7 and 11

1, 6, 11

ambo - because the frequencies are so close together on the 2.4 range between channels... so if you set your AP to say channel 6 the AP will send a receive out of the frequency of channel 6. so there would be interferance on channel 4-8 say.

yes you can have two APs on the same channel and it may not make a difference. but put more APs on that channel and increase the signals and see what happens
 
Ok... You learn something new everyday.

Is there anypoint is having 11 or 14 channels? Eg. Putting a AP on channel 6 and channel 5 and operating them net to each other vs putting them both on channel 6?
 
skydog said:
...the AP will send a receive out of the frequency of channel 6. so there would be interferance on channel 4-8 say.
yeah i get that - i was just wondering why those particular channels were choosen. As long as you maintain the frequency spacing between channels - there's no real reason why you couldn't choose any arbitrary channels
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.11
Wikipedia said:
802.11b and 802.11g divide the spectrum into 14 overlapping, staggered channels whose center frequencies are 5 megahertz (MHz) apart. It is a common misconception that channels 1, 6 and 11 (and, if available in the regulatory domain, channel 14) do not overlap and those channels (or other sets with similar gaps) can be used such that multiple networks can operate in close proximity without interfering with each other, but this statement is somewhat over-simplified. The 802.11b and 802.11g standards do not specify the width of a channel; rather, they specify the center frequency of the channel and a spectral mask for that channel. The spectral mask for 802.11b requires that the signal be attenuated by at least 30 dB from its peak energy at ±11 MHz from the center frequency, and attenuated by at least 50 dB from its peak energy at ±22 MHz from the center frequency.

Since the spectral mask only defines power output restrictions up to ±22 MHz from the center frequency, it is often assumed that the energy of the channel extends no further than these limits. In reality, if the transmitter is sufficiently powerful, the signal can be quite strong even beyond the ±22 MHz point. Therefore, it is incorrect to say that channels 1, 6, and 11 do not overlap. It is more correct to say that, given the separation between channels 1, 6, and 11, the signal on any channel should be sufficiently attenuated to minimally interfere with a transmitter on any other channel. However, this is not universally true; for example, a powerful transmitter on channel 1 can easily overwhelm a weaker transmitter on channel 6. In one lab test, throughput on a file transfer on channel 11 decreased slightly when a similar transfer began on channel 1, indicating that even channels 1 and 11 can interfere with each other to some extent.

Although the statement that channels 1, 6, and 11 are "non-overlapping" is incomplete, the 1, 6, 11 guideline has merit. If transmitters are closer together than channels 1, 6, and 11 (e.g. 1, 4, 7, and 10), overlap between the channels will probably cause unacceptable degradation of signal quality and throughput.

The channels that are available for use in a particular country differ according to the regulations of that country. In the United States, for example, FCC regulations only allow channels 1 through 11 to be used. Channels 10 and 11 are the only channels which work in all parts of the world, because Spain hasn't licensed channels 1 to 9 for 802.11b operation.

So it's true, but not exactly as everyone believes.

The fact is that 1, 6, and 11 are good channels to run in, if you have control over say, 3 access points that need to non-interfere with each other.

It's not necessarily the best if you're not in control of all the AP's around you. In that case, you use what ever channel provides the best results and lowest noise floor.
 
Can you get tools to see what channels are being transmitted on nearby...
Like some special software of one of those little hotspot finders?

And reading that quote - seems to me if you had say 5 AP with overlapping footprints then you just space them as far apart as possible on the channels and hope for the best.

Can anyone confirm if channels 12-14 are legal in SA?
 
ambo - Use Netstumbler for windows and Kismet for linux to see what APs are around you.

"hope for the best" sounds right :)

I think what TheRoDent was saying is that get your network going and then change the channels of the APs till you get best resuls. eg put on channel 1 and do a transfer. then change to channel 2 and try again. there may be a difference in transfer speeds. If there are not to many other APs aournd then all the channels will be the same.

I think that SA is only channel 1 -11... I stand to be corrected
I don't think it is stopping people from using the outer channel just like the transmitting over bounaries
saying that I suggest say in the law as much as possible to avoid trouble.
 
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