911 Pentagon Video Released

'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.'
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Not pull out - pull it. Media sensationalism? A bit like rumsfield mentioning a missile and the pentagon in a interview - also sensationalism? Listen to him - in his own words - on the video.

I notice silence from ignacio - he not be pleased - that byu.edu is discredited in his eyes (ie, photos of molten steel.) There is an interview on the video - the head honcho of the clean up team - telling of molten metal, red-hot weeks after in the basement. Why should these people lie?

We may argue over the semantics - but I say it again - the 'official' report is weak (may, should, truncated models) - 'they' have done their best to obscure the issues (where is the tape I saw originally on the bbc - why release the most low quality video they can find - when they have film of the whole thing?) Why delay, why not answer the questions (where are the tapes - why do we see explosions during the collapse of WTC, why, why, why?) - but they have got nothing to say - rather argue over semantics.

softened? Joke.
 
Prometheus:

The last creation ended on a long count of 13.0.0.0.0. Another 13.0.0.0.0 will occur on December 21, 2012, and it has been discussed in many New Age articles and books that this will be the end of this creation or something else entirely.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_calendar

headon = no apparent motion against the star background
 
kilo39 said:
I notice silence from ignacio - he not be pleased - that byu.edu is discredited in his eyes (ie, photos of molten steel.) There is an interview on the video - the head honcho of the clean up team - telling of molten metal, red-hot weeks after in the basement. Why should these people lie?
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Since when was byu.edu the source for the "official" report? EVEN the BYU professor says molten metal in his report and not steel because the type of metal was not verified.
softened? Joke.
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Not sure what is funny here - are you suggesting steel doesn't soften or weaken at certain temperatures? So now your argument is with science in general?
 
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kilo39 said:
Not pull out - pull it. Media sensationalism? A bit like rumsfield mentioning a missile and the pentagon in a interview - also sensationalism? Listen to him - in his own words - on the video.
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A more accurate quote would have been this - from the video
I remember getting a call from the... fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'Well you know we've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and instead we watched the building collapse.
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I don't hear any "er" in there either. He switches right over to the word "fire" after stretching out the word "the".

"pull it" was just his choice of words. They pulled it as in they pulled the rescue mission. No doubt he could have chosen a better choice of words, but what he says doesn't equate to a missile analogy. "it" can refer to a lot of things, but "missile" can only mean one thing. We shouldn't be so hung up on a choice of words.
headon = no apparent motion against the star background
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By that definition a head on object would be heading strait for us. A head on object is visible through the light from the sun that it reflects.
 
mooK said:
Prometheus, I seem to recall giving u this link a while ago, please try and read it this time. I mean, I actually found it quite interesting reading! Come on, give it a shot!

http://www.exitmundi.nl/Planet-X.htm
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So according to that page you keep on referring me to Sedna is a myth. Follow your own advice and read the link I provided. Sedna has an orbit of 10,500 - like Nibiru has in the Sumerian texts - but according to that article that is impossible. So should I believe that article or NASA? Most scolars believe that the Sumerians believed the earth to be round and rotating with the other planets around the sun. That article itself has a lot of disinformation, it doesn't disprove anything I said.

Here is that NASA link again:
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2004/mar/HQ_n04040_solar_object.html
Take a look at it this time. Astronomers actually says that there may be other undiscovered objects as well. Some really interesting reading there.
 
By that definition a head on object would be heading strait for us. A head on object is visible through the light from the sun that it reflects.
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Yes but if it has no apparent movement against the stars then they don't know its moving - could be a star. The only way to discern movement is against the 'fixed' star background.

ignacio: Not sure what is funny here - are you suggesting steel doesn't soften or weaken at certain temperatures? So now your argument is with science in general?

No - whichever way - even a softening or weakening - would have to be 'active' for 110 floors and 200 000 tons of steel. Or show me the pancake (and not the smoking hole in the ground.)

Subsequent modeling suggests that in the north tower the internal trusses supporting the building's concrete floors failed as a result of heat-induced warping[14]. This would have placed additional stress on the bunched core columns which themselves were losing integrity from both impact damage and heat. NIST report.

(yes I know the byu link is not the official report - but does show photos - why should they lie?)

Prometheus: "pull it" was just his choice of words. They pulled it as in they pulled the rescue mission. No doubt he could have chosen a better choice of words, but what he says doesn't equate to a missile analogy. "it" can refer to a lot of things, but "missile" can only mean one thing. We shouldn't be so hung up on a choice of words.

My Silverstein quote was off wikipedia (simply pointing to that, right or wrong.) The missile? Word was used by rumsfield - in the video - "the missile that hit the pentagon" - or such - perhaps you have that original quote too?
 
Yeah, The Donald was really kicking himself after that fupar, after orchestrating the whole conspiracy he just forgot to lie to to the media, what a dealbreaker!

Isn't a missile any kind of flying projectile that may/or may not explode on impact. I suppose you could classify a plane as a missile, if you wanted to.
 
Or Father Christmas as the Easter Bunny - I mean - what difference does it make - purely semantics.

Why the desperation to deny the conspiracy - when all the 'evidence' points that way - or even 'the lack of evidence'.

The classic slip of the tongue - must be a real problem keeping up with the lies - if not lies show us the truth. From the comments assume you'll seen the video - explain multi-explosions - explain the fire chief on the fire floor - explain concrete turned to dust. Explain the missing jet - twice. Explain how they knew the building was going to come down. Explain, explain - and not in the language of 'would, should, and may'.
 
So what's his expression after he says 'missile'? Do his eyes go wide and he starts grabbing at the camera yelling "cut, cut, cut!"?
 
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Yes but if it has no apparent movement against the stars then they don't know its moving - could be a star. The only way to discern movement is against the 'fixed' star background.
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Movement is observed through the increase in brightness as it gets nearer. All visible stars have been documented so anything suddenly detected is not a star.
My Silverstein quote was off wikipedia (simply pointing to that, right or wrong.) The missile? Word was used by rumsfield - in the video - "the missile that hit the pentagon" - or such - perhaps you have that original quote too?
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Yes I know it was from wikipedia. My point is you can't deduce that he meant something sinister by it. They were concerned for the firemen's safety. They didn't know that the building was going to come down, they just stood there and witnessed it like everyone else. I don't have Rumsfeld's original comment, but I'm sure it's clear from his comment that he meant missile and not something else.
 
Okay - well all in all - there was no conspiracy. No explosions on the day, watch the jet go by in the video -. All the conspiracists sites - with reams of equations, videos and true life testimony is just nonsense - mere delusion. Didn't happen. No 160 billion, no 3000 victims. Fine - we'll all go back to our individual worlds of delusion and everybody lived happily ever after.

Amen.
 
kilo, you can't expect that everyone will just believe in the conspiracy theory. Then it wouldn't even be a consipracy theory - it would just be the truth. The fact of the matter is that there is currently not enough solid evidence for it to move out of the realm of conspiracy theory.

The official reports and stories have holes, but obviously they have less than the conspiracy theories.

Edit: I'm glad there are people like you out there who don't just accept everything that they are told and question what actually happened.
 
kilo39 said:
Okay - well all in all - there was no conspiracy. No explosions on the day, watch the jet go by in the video -. All the conspiracists sites - with reams of equations, videos and true life testimony is just nonsense - mere delusion. Didn't happen. No 160 billion, no 3000 victims. Fine - we'll all go back to our individual worlds of delusion and everybody lived happily ever after.

Amen.
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LOL. Seems like somebody is on a bit of a high horse today. :D
I am not disputing that the official story doesn't make sense. In fact I think it is bogus. Either they don't want people to know everything that happened that day or they simply couldn't be bothered by it. It served them thus far to speculate about the identities of the 19 terrorists. So much that they are still continuing with the lie. Anyway all I am saying is that it doesn't serve anybody to cry wolf over a sentence which the meaning of is quite ambiguous. No wonder no one wants to take us seriously any more.

The purpose of this thread was the video released which equates to nothing. The reports are inaccurate. No use to keep on rehashing everything without any new evidence. My purpose here is done. I have nothing more to add on the subject atm so I'll just leave it in peace for now without enflaming anyone else.

Goodbye. ;)
 
Non American fan

I don't like the way the Americans reacted to the whole 9/11 thing. They just want to show the world their in charge.:mad:
 
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vampirotoothus said:
I don't like the way the Americans reacted to the whole 9/11 thing. They just want to show the world their in charge.:mad:
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oh - they are not?
 
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