911 Pentagon Video Released

ok lets see how easy do you think it is to plant a bomb?

do you think that everyone who would be involved in planting a bomb would be ok with it

flying planes into building and blaming whoever is one thing planting a bomb is another
 
killadoob said:
ok lets see how easy do you think it is to plant a bomb?

do you think that everyone who would be involved in planting a bomb would be ok with it

flying planes into building and blaming whoever is one thing planting a bomb is another

Flying planes into building is easier than planting bombs?

Flying planes into buildings:
_Either advanced remote control technology or people willing to commit suicide for you (you'd be hard pressed to find soldiers like this... only Islamic "martyrs" tend to be this psychopathic) [Do YOU: "do you think that everyone who would be involved in flying a plane to their death would be ok with it"??]
_"actors" or other civilian recruits who also want to commit suicide - who stage phone calls to loved ones
_cost in terms of all equipment lost, buildings destroyed, economy hit: trillions of dollars

Planting bombs:
_1 truck
_a few heavily screened soldiers (yes - you could find soldiers trained and willing to do this... just as you could find some willing to be assassins)
_1 dirty bomb
_relatively minimal cost
 
ignacio said:
Or maybe they genuinely thought - as did the intelligence agencies of every other Western power - that Iraq had WMD. Not finding WMDs is a big problem for you conspiracy wombats... they stage absolutely everything, and can't be bothered to plant a single dirty-bomb?
Planting bombs:
_1 truck
_a few heavily screened soldiers (yes - you could find soldiers trained and willing to do this... just as you could find some willing to be assassins)
_1 dirty bomb
_relatively minimal cost
You clearly don't know what would be involved. Firstly they would have to manufacture a bomb(s) specifically for this purpose because every bomb can be traced back to its origin. They found a lot of bombs, just not any 'sophisticated' or nuclear ones. And how would they explain the lack of technology needed to manufacture them. It would have looked very suspicious. They look more credible saying they made a mistake than planting a bomb.
Flying planes into building is easier than planting bombs?

Flying planes into buildings:
_Either advanced remote control technology or people willing to commit suicide for you (you'd be hard pressed to find soldiers like this... only Islamic "martyrs" tend to be this psychopathic) [Do YOU: "do you think that everyone who would be involved in flying a plane to their death would be ok with it"??]
_"actors" or other civilian recruits who also want to commit suicide - who stage phone calls to loved ones
_cost in terms of all equipment lost, buildings destroyed, economy hit: trillions of dollars
It was easy enough for the "torrorists" to do it. Besides most planes fly themselves already. The pilot only does the taking off and landing (which didn't happen anyway) and makes adjustments during flight. The equipment to fly the plane by itself is already in place. All that would be needed is a software update.
pfffft... failing by what standard?
Their currency is weakening. They get most of their resources from other countries. In order to 'afford' it they get other countries to owe them. Every dollar was artificially made and is actually WORTHLESS.
 
Prometheus said:
You clearly don't know what would be involved. Firstly they would have to manufacture a bomb(s) specifically for this purpose because every bomb can be traced back to its origin. They found a lot of bombs, just not any 'sophisticated' or nuclear ones. And how would they explain the lack of technology needed to manufacture them. It would have looked very suspicious. They look more credible saying they made a mistake than planting a bomb.

It was easy enough for the "torrorists" to do it. Besides most planes fly themselves already. The pilot only does the taking off and landing (which didn't happen anyway) and makes adjustments during flight. The equipment to fly the plane by itself is already in place. All that would be needed is a software update.

Their currency is weakening. They get most of their resources from other countries. In order to 'afford' it they get other countries to owe them. Every dollar was artificially made and is actually WORTHLESS.

Conspiratorial mind:
multi-plane hijacking/destruction, recruiting programmers & others to either commit suicide or kill civilians by other means, massive building destruction (including missiles and implosive devices, don't forget... do you guys actually ever hear how stupid you sound?!), losing trillions of dollars, making sure everyone involved in this massive operation stays quiet (maybe kill all involved, right?), get suicidal "actors" to call home and say that arabs with knives have taken over the plane (wasn't software meant to do this??), get Al Qaeda to take the blame: trivially easy
planting bombs: impossibly difficult

Only the world's biggest economy - but never mind reality...
 
ignacio said:
Conspiratorial mind:
multi-plane hijacking/destruction, recruiting programmers & others to either commit suicide or kill civilians by other means, massive building destruction (including missiles and implosive devices, don't forget... do you guys actually ever hear how stupid you sound?!), losing trillions of dollars, making sure everyone involved in this massive operation stays quiet (maybe kill all involved, right?), get suicidal "actors" to call home and say that arabs with knives have taken over the plane (wasn't software meant to do this??), get Al Qaeda to take the blame: trivially easy
planting bombs: impossibly difficult

Only the world's biggest economy - but never mind reality...
Recruiting programmers to to make software capable of flying a plane remotely, which has already been in development. Hire others to "only" do testing for a "new flight training program". Losing trillians of dollars? I don't think they have that much and the government only lost a couple million which is a drop in the ocean for the return they thought they would get. And don't forget your reality that oswald shot jfk from the wrong side so that the bullet would have had to have deflected 180 degrees for it to have hit him. How stupid do those theories propagated by governments sound? No one has to be kept quiet if they don't know what they were doing. You don't go around advertising your plans. That would be stupid. Everyones knows only what they need to in order to accomplish their task. Getting Al Qaeda to take the blame? Whenever there's a bombing everyone wants credit so why would someone want to "take credit" for THIS?

Never mind the reality that Switzerland is the biggest economy holding 25% of the world economy and america holds 25% of the worlds prison population. Something isn't quite right in America. Do some real reading except that stuff fed to you on a spoon by "the world biggest economy".
 
multi-plane hijacking/destruction, recruiting programmers & others to either commit suicide or kill civilians by other means, massive building destruction (including missiles and implosive devices, don't forget... do you guys actually ever hear how stupid you sound?!), losing trillions of dollars, making sure everyone involved in this massive operation stays quiet (maybe kill all involved, right?), get suicidal "actors" to call home and say that arabs with knives have taken over the plane (wasn't software meant to do this??), get Al Qaeda to take the blame: trivially easy
planting bombs: impossibly difficult
Ignacio - you may laugh and jest - but you explain it - what did we see on 9/11? What were the explosions in the basement/heard by everybody including the shock wave. How does concrete manage to get pulverised beyond existence - turned to dust? Where is the 757 at the pentagon (and it wasn't in that last video?) And certainly no evidence of a 757 in any published photos? And Flight 93?

Problem with human memory: I remember the lead up to the war. Plain Fact: there were other ways to deal with the issue of Iraq - same as there are today with Iran - but usa knows best. They have gone against world opinion on every aspect - to support their expansionist plans.

To all intents rumsfield completely made up that report to the UN delivered by Powell. America wanted to close unfinished business and the oil. Well we all know that story.

Tell us about JFK?

Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller, who was one of the first people to arrive at the crash site, said it looked as if someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped trash into it. Miller said there was nothing visible of human remains and that it was as if the plane had "stopped and let the passengers off before it crashed." He said that the most eerie thing about the site was that he hadn't seen a "single drop of blood."
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Miller said he was stunned at how small the crater was. "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes," Miller said, "because there were no bodies there."
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Asked how Flight 93 disappeared into the crater without leaving a trace, Bob Leverknight, an active member of the Air National Guard and correspondent with Somerset's Daily American, told AFP at the newspaper's office, "It [the ground] liquefied." However, one of the massive engines, Leverknight said, inexplicably bounced off the ground and was found at a considerable distance in the woods.
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The crater is no larger than 20 feet across and 5 or 6 feet deep, according to eyewitness accounts.
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How does a Boeing 757 disappear into such a small crater without leaving any trace of itself ??


/edit/and let's remember Lockerbie - it rained bodies for hours. So where are they with Flt93?
 
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What I want to know is where was the 757 that "crashed into the pentagon" for the nearly an hour that it dissappeared from radar. Why didn't any of the other planes flying that day disappear from radar? A remarkable coincidence unless it was fitted with a radar jamming device. And for what? To replace it with something else perhaps?
 
Prometheus said:
Recruiting programmers to to make software capable of flying a plane remotely, which has already been in development. Hire others to "only" do testing for a "new flight training program". Losing trillians of dollars? I don't think they have that much and the government only lost a couple million which is a drop in the ocean for the return they thought they would get. And don't forget your reality that oswald shot jfk from the wrong side so that the bullet would have had to have deflected 180 degrees for it to have hit him. How stupid do those theories propagated by governments sound? No one has to be kept quiet if they don't know what they were doing. You don't go around advertising your plans. That would be stupid. Everyones knows only what they need to in order to accomplish their task. Getting Al Qaeda to take the blame? Whenever there's a bombing everyone wants credit so why would someone want to "take credit" for THIS?

Never mind the reality that Switzerland is the biggest economy holding 25% of the world economy and america holds 25% of the worlds prison population. Something isn't quite right in America. Do some real reading except that stuff fed to you on a spoon by "the world biggest economy".


Wow - you are the real deal - a true headcase... almost no point in trying to use facts and logic with you, so I would suggest you read this:
http://www.royalinstitutephilosophy.org/think/print.php?num=18 (let me guess, you would immediately think aliens, right?)

then this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
(try ty GDP(PPP) or others to see if you have any luck... my guess is that you will say... "but who REALLY is control of the wealth?" or some other conspiracy bullsh!t)

then this ... over 1.2 trillion lost in the first week on stocks alone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks

But - really - keep up the good work... rationality and reality are far too mundane for someone like you.... just keep believing whatever those many voices are telling you.
 
Let us separate issues - you are using the Xarog approach to debate by throwing many points out at once.

A couple questions to see how in touch with reality your are:
1. did planes fly into the two towers?
2. if planes flew into the towers, why couldn't they have likewise used a plane - and not a missile - to hit the pentagon?


Problem with human memory: I remember the lead up to the war. Plain Fact: there were other ways to deal with the issue of Iraq - same as there are today with Iran - but usa knows best. They have gone against world opinion on every aspect - to support their expansionist plans.

To all intents rumsfield completely made up that report to the UN delivered by Powell. America wanted to close unfinished business and the oil. Well we all know that story.
I don't have much to say about this in terms of conspiracy... if you are asking if the US wanted to take down Saddam - I would say yes. If you are asking if it was a good idea - I would say possibly - time will tell - but they sure screwed up the post-war. If you are saying that this means that there was a conspiracy involved - I just don't buy it: the simplest theory is that militant Islamists trained in the states to pull off the operation; the WTC was a big target for them (they aleady tried to take them down during Clinton's admin); all evidence points to them - from phone calls about Arabs on board (maybe "programmers" made the civilians sound like loved ones people knew, eh prometheus??), from admission by OBL; from flight training schools; from continued efforts by Islamists to destabilize and attack the west (London, Madrid, African embassy bombings, USS Cole...) ... the list is really endless... and it all points to militant Islamists.... but in your mind it all points to a massive, multi-national conspiracy. Sorry, your ideas don't even begin to make sense.

Tell us about JFK?
No - not interested.
 
A couple questions to see how in touch with reality your are:
1. did planes fly into the two towers?
2. if planes flew into the towers, why couldn't they have likewise used a plane - and not a missile - to hit the pentagon?

Yes planes flew into the towers - how come they managed to do so much damage and destruction - total obliteration of the buildings - concrete pulverised - steel melted/liquefied!! How many times have we read that word in relation to 911. The WTC = liquefied. Pentagon = Liquefied. Flight 93 = Liquefied. Tell me ignacio - what is wrong with this picture? Amazing - 4 liquefications all on the same day - all leaving little evidence. 2 teeny little airlines brought down the pinnacle of engineering - very little left - oh, liquefied. !!!

Where is the plane at the pentagon? Oh yeah - liquefied. It is absurd. And if you can't see the absurdity and believe what you own eyeballs are telling you - what can be said?

the simplest theory is that militant Islamists trained in the states to pull off the operation; the WTC was a big target for them (they aleady tried to take them down during Clinton's admin); all evidence points to them - from phone calls about Arabs on board (maybe "programmers" made the civilians sound like loved ones people knew, eh prometheus??), from admission by OBL; from flight training schools; from continued efforts by Islamists to destabilize and attack the west (London, Madrid, African embassy bombings, USS Cole...) ... the list is really endless... and it all points to militant Islamists.... but in your mind it all points to a massive, multi-national conspiracy. Sorry, your ideas don't even begin to make sense.

In terms of all of this we are talking one conspiracy. Yes, cole, embassies happened pre 911 - and previous attack on wtc. Madrid, london, post.

But one conspiracy/911: There are 2 many points of failure - same as there are 2 many points of failure on JFK.

/lets not play games on the missile/
 
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Just because there are some irregularities or suspiscious happenings doesn't mean there's a whole conspiracy. Government keeps loads of secrets from us for reasons we can't even speculate. We simply don't know enough, and when some people realise that we might not know what's really going on, we get conspiracy theorists.
 
Just because there are some irregularities or suspiscious happenings doesn't mean there's a whole conspiracy. Government keeps loads of secrets from us for reasons we can't even speculate. We simply don't know enough, and when some people realise that we might not know what's really going on, we get conspiracy theorists.
aah mooK - if only it were that simple.
 
ignacio said:
Wow - you are the real deal - a true headcase... almost no point in trying to use facts and logic with you, so I would suggest you read this:
http://www.royalinstitutephilosophy.org/think/print.php?num=18 (let me guess, you would immediately think aliens, right?)
Aliens? In this country? Not a chance, surely it was STOLEN. :p
then this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
(try ty GDP(PPP) or others to see if you have any luck... my guess is that you will say... "but who REALLY is control of the wealth?" or some other conspiracy bullsh!t)
Corrected your link and it only list the gross domestic products not the economies of any country.
then this ... over 1.2 trillion lost in the first week on stocks alone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks
It's called the WORLD trade centre. A lot of those stocks were owned by other countries. You actually think America gives a damn about any other country? Maybe GB where Wush's poodle Tony Blait lives. Also know that a large percentage of that stocks were held by companies which in turn drove their stock prices up. So they were in fact multiplied over and over again how many times? Again artificial money. And how much did the government and not "the people" and companies actually lose?
But - really - keep up the good work... rationality and reality are far too mundane for someone like you.... just keep believing whatever those many voices are telling you.
Sure, I will. Rather that than believe that someone was shot with a bullet that turned around in mid air.
(maybe "programmers" made the civilians sound like loved ones people knew, eh prometheus??)
What are you going on about people phoning their families? Do you think it makes any difference to the facts?
 
kilo39 said:
Yes planes flew into the towers - how come they managed to do so much damage and destruction - total obliteration of the buildings - concrete pulverised - steel melted/liquefied!! How many times have we read that word in relation to 911. The WTC = liquefied. Pentagon = Liquefied. Flight 93 = Liquefied. Tell me ignacio - what is wrong with this picture? Amazing - 4 liquefications all on the same day - all leaving little evidence. 2 teeny little airlines brought down the pinnacle of engineering - very little left - oh, liquefied. !!!

Where is the plane at the pentagon? Oh yeah - liquefied. It is absurd. And if you can't see the absurdity and believe what you own eyeballs are telling you - what can be said?
We have 4 planes liquefied in one day over how many planes liquefied in history over the amount of plane crashes.
Lets put this from simplest to most complex explanation.
1. Bombs or something.
2. Not planes at all.
3. Coincidence.
4. Aliens with their zap ray. ;)
 
Ockham’s Razor does not state that the world is maximally simple. Clearly, the world is not simple. The world is so complex that it would not be entirely surprising if it turns out that outer space aliens do exist. The point is that we should not move to that conclusion until the evidence forces us there – until we are not able to explain what we observe in a simpler way.

Well 4 planes/though it was the buildings that liquified WTC + WTC7 - liquified too(?) Ockham’s Razor proves the point. Must be aliens.

:rolleyes:
 
Prometheus said:
Aliens? In this country? Not a chance, surely it was STOLEN. :p

kilo39 said:
Well 4 planes/though it was the buildings that liquified WTC + WTC7 - liquified too(?) Ockham’s Razor proves the point. Must be aliens.

:rolleyes:


You two are amusing at least. Can't say I would ever agree with you - but keep searching for conspiracies, one day you just might stumble upon one that is backed by science and research.

I personally believe that Xenu is responsible for all of this - try to prove me wrong.
 
The funniest thing of all - is that I am just repeating the official word. Now tell me of Ockham’s Razor.

:rolleyes:
 
kilo39 said:
The funniest thing of all - is that I am just repeating the official word. Now tell me of Ockham’s Razor.

:rolleyes:
The incredibly obvious point is that we know two of the planes were entirely destroyed or liquified if you want to call it that... since we SAW the two planes go into the WTC (are you arguing optical illusion?!). So - if two planes can be destroyed to the point that only fragments can be found, why is it so unreasonable that it could happen to all four? When a plane blows up in the air (like Lockerbie) parts can go anywhere - when a plane goes directly into an object, all of the fuel + momentum energy is confined to a very localised area. Maybe you are imagining other controlled crashes - in which pilots are trying to save passengers and not trying to go into a building as fast as possible with as much fuel as possible on board - yeah, I agree, in those cases, planes don't "liquify". (btw they did find parts at each site, like a wheel at the pentagon, so I don't know what you are saying by liquified)

I prefer my Xenu theory - and I have yet to hear a single point to refute it.
 
ignacio said:
The incredibly obvious point is that we know two of the planes were entirely destroyed or liquified if you want to call it that... since we SAW the two planes go into the WTC (are you arguing optical illusion?!). So - if two planes can be destroyed to the point that only fragments can be found, why is it so unreasonable that it could happen to all four? When a plane blows up in the air (like Lockerbie) parts can go anywhere - when a plane goes directly into an object, all of the fuel + momentum energy is confined to a very localised area. Maybe you are imagining other controlled crashes - in which pilots are trying to save passengers and not trying to go into a building as fast as possible with as much fuel as possible on board - yeah, I agree, in those cases, planes don't "liquify". (btw they did find parts at each site, like a wheel at the pentagon, so I don't know what you are saying by liquified)

I prefer my Xenu theory - and I have yet to hear a single point to refute it.

Ah. That is surely laughable! HaHa. With WTC - the >buildings< liquefied + 2 other aeroplanes. According to your theory 2 aeroplanes liquefied two of the worlds largest buildings - in >exactly< the same way (in a very short time.) Two not very large aeroplanes (in relation to the size of the building) - buildings designed to take exactly such an impact from an aeroplane the same size. But no - according to you - reality was suspended - we had 2 (or was it 3?) liquefications - little left. Doesn't this stretch the bounds of probability and reality??! And it is not me using the word "liquefy" - that is the official report - the "buildings" liquefied. Pleeaze. Who is bending over backwards now to encompass their perceived reality?

Then we have the cases of Flt93 + the pentagon: where are the planes? Where are the bodies? In the worlds worst aircrashes (and they have been many - some directly into the ground) - they has >never< been a case of no bodies/or parts. Or previous 'liquefication'. But now on 911 we have things liquefying all over?! Pleeaze! And it is their word - not mine = liquefy.

Your wished for reality stretches the bounds of reason. Now talk to me of Occam's Razor.

btw they did find parts at each site, like a wheel at the pentagon Their words: a wheel, an engine (other site), one or two bits (the rest liquefied.) 2 airliners = 1 wheel/1 engine/and a few bits. Yeah right. All those liquefaction's again.

I really think you need to do a review in terms of Occam's Razor. Take a reality check. Keep JFK in mind (and the others.)

For a really chilling look at reality: http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/soldier5.htm
 
well how do you know those ppl where willing to die?

how do you know that there where even ppl on the plane

tell me this?

why did the buildings fall straight down?

come on whoever thinks this wasnt the US government need to look at everything and see it clearly :)
 
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