A fresh logical discussion about Eskom

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A much better, logical discussion without the usual fluff.

Especially the off-camera guy is very knowledgeable and also reveals some very interesting points you'll never hear in main stream media.
 
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I understand why the guy didn't want to go on camera, he is not playing.

He definitely raises some very interesting points.
 
JustAsk said:
A much better, logical discussion without the usual fluff.

Especially the off-camera guy is very knowledgeable and also reveals some very interesting points you'll never hear in main stream media.
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Yeah I was willing to ignore the fact that this is MCG podcast but soon as that moron came on about an agenda to privatise then you know this is union level paranoid delusions. I have heard Vavi beat on that drum without providing evidence of why and how load shedding is deliberately implemented to facilitate privatisation.
 
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Yeah I was willing to ignore the fact that this is MCG podcast but soon as that moron came on about an agenda to privatise then you know this is union level paranoid delusions.
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“They” want to privatize. Who exactly is “they” anyways? Government? Captains of business?
 
Please help me understand. Why can't we import portable nuclear power plants? Isn't it more cost-effective than solar, wind, and coal? Will it not be more cost-effective than renting ships for the next 20 years? I mean, if our country owns them and only has a maintenance contract with the supplier. We could install these units, generating 300 MWh each, in every municipality, providing power for businesses.

How is this idea considered bad? If we have a stable power supply, our economy can thrive and eventually invest in better solutions. Being financially strained and unemployed doesn't benefit anyone, does it?
 
Romy_ said:
Please help me understand. Why can't we import portable nuclear power plants? Isn't it more cost-effective than solar, wind, and coal? Will it not be more cost-effective than renting ships for the next 20 years? I mean, if our country owns them and only has a maintenance contract with the supplier. We could install these units, generating 300 MWh each, in every municipality, providing power for businesses.

How is this idea considered bad? If we have a stable power supply, our economy can thrive and eventually invest in better solutions. Being financially strained and unemployed doesn't benefit anyone, does it?
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Firstly they don't exist for general power generation (Other than in military submarines or similar).
Secondly, its still far cheaper to install solar and / or wind.

The main issue with power generation in this country is not a physical one - i.e. hardware. Its a software issue - the government ministers involved want one thing. Money in their pockets. Power for the country is secondary, which is why we have had extensive stalling, and pushes toward expensive solutions that provide plenty of baksheesh.

Simple, true, and indisputable.
 
itareanlnotani said:
Firstly they don't exist for general power generation (Other than in military submarines or similar).
Secondly, its still far cheaper to install solar and / or wind.

The main issue with power generation in this country is not a physical one - i.e. hardware. Its a software issue - the government ministers involved want one thing. Money in their pockets. Power for the country is secondary, which is why we have had extensive stalling, and pushes toward expensive solutions that provide plenty of baksheesh.

Simple, true, and indisputable.
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High speed turbomachinery operates efficiently from 30% to 100% power or 1.2MW electric, enabling resilient microgrids


As said on the video we will see this tech running in 2026 but the point is, it is on its way
 
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Romy_ said:
High speed turbomachinery operates efficiently from 30% to 100% power or 1.2MW electric, enabling resilient microgrids


As said on the video we will see this tech running in 2026 but the point is, it is on its way
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Takes probably a decade, if not more for new technology nuclear to be approved on certfication, then safety.
Refueling, etc also an issue, as will waste. ( https://thebulletin.org/2022/06/int...actors-get-a-reality-check-about-their-waste/ )

Realistically you're looking at a minimum of 20 years away if not 30 in a South African context, if at all.
Only Nuclear we're likely to get is Russian, and corruption will play a huge part in all of that.

Suggest look at
https://www.worldnuclearreport.org/The-World-Nuclear-Industry-Status-Report-2022-HTML.html and search for SMR. Has more of a reality check on those coming soon promises.
 
I get it but I don't think the tech is that far away. With all the wars in the world, I suspect that bringing infrastructure back online will be a priority. I hope that this will see the daylight. We as a country need it
 
Romy_ said:
I get it but I don't think the tech is that far away. With all the wars in the world, I suspect that bringing infrastructure back online will be a priority. I hope that this will see the daylight. We as a country need it
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I agree but SA needs quick, simple, economical and reliable fixes, none of which will be provided while the ANC regime and its elites, fellow travelers, tenderpreneurs et al control Eskom for personal gain.
 
Romy_ said:
I get it but I don't think the tech is that far away. With all the wars in the world, I suspect that bringing infrastructure back online will be a priority. I hope that this will see the daylight. We as a country need it
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Even if it does come online, and is commercially viable in the next 10 years, SA will standing at the back of a long line of buyers with much fatter wallets than us. We won't see it in at leat 50 uears or more.
 
Romy_ said:
I get it but I don't think the tech is that far away. With all the wars in the world, I suspect that bringing infrastructure back online will be a priority. I hope that this will see the daylight. We as a country need it
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The very very earliest on this would be 2030, and thats rather optimistic. Realistically, 2040, and that is also unlikely, and assumes everything goes "right".

Solar and Wind make the economies of Nuclear (yes, even SMR) unlikely, especially when tied with storage (which is dropping in price faster than a proverbial rock).

SMR will happen at some point, but in niche applications. Or offplanet / space.
 
tl;dr where is the short version?

besides you guys are worrying about nothing, govt got this they are prepping the Karpowership bays as we speak..
 
grok said:
tl;dr where is the short version?

besides you guys are worrying about nothing, govt got this they are prepping the Karpowership bays as we speak..
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I'm halfway though but they cover a broad range of things. The general sentiment is that mistakes were made but Eskom can be fixed and its more the private sector that is artificially causing LS so that the entire power supply chain can be privatized.
They say a lot of contradictory things but I i'm interested in that narrative because when you find yourself in a situation where you only have one option, it means that you have been pushed there.

The most problematic thing said here is that the Karpowerships have been getting unnecessary negative attention in the media, but then moments later they say that if we had 18 months we could fix all the problems with the existing infrastructure and "catch up". They skip over the fact that its a 20 year contract that will cripple us.
This leads me to believe that these guys are ANC apologists - which is fine because we never hear that side of the story. Its just good to know that upfront.
 
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WollieVerstege said:
Even if it does come online, and is commercially viable in the next 10 years, SA will standing at the back of a long line of buyers with much fatter wallets than us. We won't see it in at leat 50 uears or more.
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South Africa used to be at the nuclear innovation forefront. Remember we have been enriching uranium before the Americans did. I see no reason why we can't develop our own. We have all the materials we need right here in South Africa. But again even innovation is linked to governance. But it can do a lot of good if we can.
 
JustAsk said:
A much better, logical discussion without the usual fluff.

Especially the off-camera guy is very knowledgeable and also reveals some very interesting points you'll never hear in main stream media.
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A bunch of nonsense.
 
Romy_ said:
South Africa used to be at the nuclear innovation forefront. Remember we have been enriching uranium before the Americans did. I see no reason why we can't develop our own. We have all the materials we need right here in South Africa. But again even innovation is linked to governance. But it can do a lot of good if we can.
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That ended with Apartheid.
 
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