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This thread is to extrapolate on the particular points made by these two posts below.

whoever wants to get paid for them

a basic income grant will be a pain for certain employers - because the preference to work at a particular wage is shifted - and might see certain mind numbing jobs demand slightly higher pay -> until the fact that there is a massive labour supply kicks in. One thing which it is likely to reduce however are Bull**** Jobs:
http://www.strikemag.org/bull****-jobs/

The hate and fear of the government is something that is particularly interesting in modern day society. You're supposed to love the flag, but you're supposed to hate the government. It a massive contradiction.

But if you're sitting in a PR office, you can figure it out.Get people to be patriotic, subordinate, silent, hate government, blame government for everything that goes wrong, think governments can do nothing right, not notice that more and more power is being turned over to private hands, which are completely unaccountable and are totally totalitarian institutions.

People are unhappy. A lot of things are going wrong with their lives. Real income is going down, working hours are going up, families are falling apart, a lot of bad things. And we've been taught for 50 years that it's the government's fault, so we bomb a government building, but we don't bomb the GE headquarters, we don't read the Fortune 500 and find out who's got all the money, we don't notice that they've just celebrated their fourth straight year of double digit profit growth.

The great defect with the government is that, in theory, and sometimes in practice, the citizens can influence it. Meaning have control over it. That's dangerous.

Actually this whole discussion over the Swiss getting some form of subsistence living is quite telling of the hate of democracy. This "getting paid to be alive" is nothing new, as they say, but the truth is that for a large part of history it was actually practiced. Right after the downfall of feudalism, there were a set of laws enacted, collectively known as the "poor laws" and one feature was the "right to live", which held that each citizen had a right to life, and that the state had a vested interest in protecting that right. So they were given a form of subsistence living, what we might call welfare today.

But with the rise of the system of private capitalist industrialization, that right had to be destroyed: people had to have it knocked out of their heads that they had any automatic "right to live" beyond what they could win for themselves on the labor market. And that was the main point of classical economics.

I see the world becoming more robotic, at all the levels of manual labor. Remember the Japanese guy that made a machine that makes perfect bagels? ...Or The Robot Will See You Now

Not only there, but everywhere...

Google "robot proof jobs" :D
 
If robots took over our jobs and generated enough wealth that we could be self-supporting, I wouldn't complain too much.
 
If robots took over our jobs and generated enough wealth that we could be self-supporting, I wouldn't complain too much.

Yes. ;)

Also, as I mentioned in some 3D Printing threads, they will be robots that can replicate themselves...A workforce, churning out an ever larger workforce, for any tasks. Workers that require just the technicians that oversee them...Us.
 
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Someone needs to design, develop, manufacture, test, implement and maintain the robots... oh and recycle.
 
Thankfully, only a true AI could take my job, but apparently we'll have those by 2045 or even before that.

When it does happen, I'll don a grey cloak, pick up a wooden staff and walk into the wilderness, leaving the city to the machines...
 
This will create massive poverty for those that don't own or work on robots
 
If robots took over our jobs and generated enough wealth that we could be self-supporting, I wouldn't complain too much.

people thought that the Industrial revolution would make us poorer, jobs were at risk, instead life expectancy more than doubled. I wouldn't mind a robotic revolution!
 
people thought that the Industrial revolution would make us poorer, jobs were at risk, instead life expectancy more than doubled. I wouldn't mind a robotic revolution!

Sure, those who lived through through the industrial revolution may have lived longer and made more money, but what was that life like for the majority? Rural subsistence or 9-5 (or worse). Hmmmmm.

Every solution leads to fractal of problems. The technological wheel is going around again, and there is little that will stop it, but going forward, lets make sure we choose the right roads...
 
in the 1950's they where talking about flying cars and holidays on the moon.....
 
A robot is already doing around 60% of my job for me. Not really a robot but more software to automate things but guess the principle is the same.

Will it ever take over my job? No as I'm self-employed so I can just flick the switch :D

Seriously though, automation has replaced many people in larger companies in the same profession but with varying levels of success.
 
Nicodeamus, thanks for the first link in your sig. People should read it.

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Re: robots:

The human population acts now as a subset of nerve impulses in the brain of a giant cyborg called Gaea..
 
Nicodeamus, thanks for the first link in your sig. People should read it.

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Re: robots:

The human population acts now as a subset of nerve impulses in the brain of a giant cyborg called Gaea..

Yes, I've spent my life telling people (Christians mostly...) that god is simply the organism that is everything...every energy, awareness, experiencing, on every level, from waves to matter to virus to animal to human...feeling, living, expressing, dying, all at the same time. Energy, never created, never destroyed, simply changing form. Just being.
 
Yes, I've spent my life telling people (Christians mostly...) that god is simply the organism that is everything...every energy, awareness, experiencing, on every level, from waves to matter to virus to animal to human...feeling, living, expressing, dying, all at the same time. Energy, never created, never destroyed, simply changing form. Just being.

...Then You might enjoy Cloud Atlas, if you've not seen it already. It conveys a great feeling of how lives and events interweave and recur across the ages that goes some way to towards echoing your statements.
 
I think we are still along way from the kind of robots we want. We just have vague idea of what they should do, and not how they should do it. Therefore my job is still safe.
 
Yes. ;)

Also, as I mentioned in some 3D Printing threads, they will be robots that can replicate themselves...A workforce, churning out an ever larger workforce, for any tasks. Workers that require just the technicians that oversee them...Us.

Yeah, until the technicians also get replaced with robots.
 
...Then You might enjoy Cloud Atlas, if you've not seen it already. It conveys a great feeling of how lives and events interweave and recur across the ages that goes some way to towards echoing your statements.

I'm a devourer of books (almost exclusively non fiction), although my gay brother is a devourer of movies and I may soon be invited to watch that one with him and the family, or I'll surprise him with it. ;)

I think we are still along way from the kind of robots we want. We just have vague idea of what they should do, and not how they should do it. Therefore my job is still safe.

We know what they should do...that which we won't...from sexual partners to sewerage system cleaners...We know how they should do it... ;) Google "world's best chat bot". Mix that with a bot of any shape...or sexuality...

That biblical saying of spilling one's semen on the ground, comes to mind...

Yeah, until the technicians also get replaced with robots.

Then we best not teach them to be better than us. :p I doubt we will leave them "unable to be switched off/killed." It's not in our nature, as the scorpion said to the frog...

We, as humans, are more malicious and controlling, than anything we can/are willing to, create.
 
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Then we best not teach them to be better than us. :p I doubt we will leave them "unable to be switched off/killed." It's not in our nature, as the scorpion said to the frog...

We, as humans, are more malicious and controlling, than anything we can/are willing to, create.

We create software with bugs. Machines with unintended defects. One potential bug in the robots could potentially be, to be better than humans like Sonny in I robot
 
Sentient beings are us. Sonny is a fake...he is just a mirage...like that pretty blonde chat bot, or that silicon soft sex bot, or that sweet secretary with the perfect boobs at IRobotRus...
 
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