A theory? maybe already been said

[CannedB]

I was reading some of these posts and one of the posts said that telkom are only using 20 of the 120 available bandwidth? so if this is correct, like the post said; why are they capping 3gig?!?!

I dont know if anyone has said this before, but:
ADSL is 256k up and 512k down - with 3gig cap! (everyone knows this ya)
64k leased line

but when you look at the monthly cost, its about R1000 for the ADSL (4 x the speed of 64k DSL) BUT when you ask for 64k leased you pay about R2500 more or less (dont quote me on that)! so anyone in there right mind would get ADSL IF there wasnt the cap! because who would pay an extra R1500 for a 4 x slower line?!?! so perhaps telkom impose a 3gig cap JUST BECAUSE they dont wanna loose their current DSL users who would port to ADSL because its a faster yet cheaper solution.

10 clients using 64k leased line = R25000
if they go over to ADSL = R15000 saving, but loss for telkom PER MONTH. thats only 10 users!

if the price for the leased line is wrong, i am sorry but i think the point is: those paying huge amounts for leased lines would save alot, but telkom would loose alot.

ok well, just a theory
ignore, heed, whatever
the DSL price was based on what i was told about 2 years ago, dont know if it is accurate still.

CB closing this tin

 

[gogolad]

Sentech Wifi offering in competition to Telskum will have no caps and will appearnetly have fixed IP addresses.

They launch in December in major centres.

 

[bullstein]

The thing is this.

I am willing to pay the same as now for a 64k or 128k adsl line with no cap. I don't care much about 256 or 512 - what private users in SA really use that anyway? Surely not many.

So I would be willing to accept a bit slower but with no cap and a good inernational connection. And i truly believe many of us feel the same way.

I REALLY THINK SOMEONE AT TELKOM BOTCHED UP WITH HIS HOMEWORK.

 

[ASF]

I think they did it out of greed...

 

[kaspaas]

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You are quite wrong:

I was getting quotes for a 64k diginet line.

Telkom charges R1500 and more just for the line (hardware!) from the exchange to your premises depending how long the line has to be. This can only be supplied by Telkom and nobody else.

Then you start adding ISP charges - and you end paying more than R5000 in total per month for a 64k line.

 

[ASF]

kaspaas is 100% correct - leased line Internet costs = Telkom Diginet line cost (+- R 1500 or thereabouts for a local 64 kbps drop) + ISP access fees (which vary depending on QoS) - generally you cannot budget less than R 4500 - R 5000 for a 64 kbps Internet connection to an ISP...

 

[ckleynhans]

ADSL can only be compared with Diginet if it could guarantee at least on average the same throughput that Diginet does in a given period, particularly in one month.

Let us do a little sum for interest sake
There are on average about 30 days in amonth.

There are 30 X 24 X 60 X 60 = 2,592,000 seconds in a month.
If we are only allowed 3GByte = 24GBit per month we could equate it with an equivalent leased line speed of 9.259 kbit/s. It does suggest that if we want to have at least 3GByte per month of our ADSL service, download should at least run at this speed on average or the capping won't even affect us.

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[ckleynhans]

I think it has been said more than once on this forum.

DSL technology has everything to do with what happens on the <font color="red">local loop </font id="red">i.e. the length of copper in twisted pair cable that runs bewteen the NSP (Network Service Provider) and the subscriber. It is the family name of a group of technologies that provide <font color="brown">digital delivery </font id="brown">of data right to your doorstep. ISDN uses DSL technology to bring digital data to you, so does Diginet and so does ADSL.

Diginet is a leased line service and has a guaranteed throughput of synchronous data at the speed at which you have leased it from Telkom. It is a point to point service and the speed implies that if you have enough data to fill the capacity of the line, the maximum throughput would be at the contractual speed. If your data is less than that you will send data through that will be clocked at the leased speed but after the transmission is completed only empty spaces will be send. You still pay for this empty space however. The speed also consumes the full capacity of the speed continuously right through the network and the Service Operator has to carry these empty spaces because the customer pays for it.

ADSL is only really guaranteed to run at its maximum speed in the local loop. It doesn't always consume the maximum bandwidth in the Network and the Network Operator saves a lot of money because his Network doesn't have to carry empty spaces when it is not required to do so. The Network is only used when actual data is send. Businesses with money would still prefer Diginet in most cases as it guarantees them the data throughput in a point to point scenario that they require. Diginet is not very efficient to carry Internet data due to its jerky, bursty nature. It won't be possible to receive Internet data at the top speed all of the time.

To compare Diginet and ADSL with the use of the DSL argument just doesn't make sense!

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[bullstein]

Thank you Christiaan for reminding us. I think most of us have completely forgotten that argument, myself included.

So in effect, Telkom will not lose their diginet business by making adsl cheaper, and taking off the cap.

So come on Telkom, we are waiting, and the longer we wait the more you will pay in the future. Albeit in the form of lost revenue or strengthening in competition. South Africans are renowned for never forgetting a wrong. At least this one is.