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Time to scrap AA and BEE along with it.
Time to scrap AA and BEE along with it.
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AA 'should be temporary'
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BradDC
Well-Known Member
agreed... do you have any idea how many South Africans would return?
Guys you and your children will be long gone and AA/BEE will still be here. The reason I say this is because BEE/AA is saposed to correct imbalances between the "rich whites" and the "poor blacks". As far as I can see this balance will NEVER be corrected.
The only time this "correction" will be present is once 99% of all whites have left this country.
The only time this "correction" will be present is once 99% of all whites have left this country.
See Vio, I kinda agree with you on this one.Vio said:
As someone who has no ambition to be rich, and doesnt mind being poor (money doesnt motivate me much really) I have to think there are others like me on this planet.
As such, they could conceivably be black, or white.
So, if the government is trying to put a blanket over the population and come up with statistical numbers on how many rich/poor black/white citizens there should be, well, me and my like-minded bretheren can seriously suprise them.
I have to think: do all blacks want to be rich? If so, can AA/BEE succeed? given that not all people are mentally/physically capable of "becoming" rich, due to the diversity of our beloved human race.
If all previously disadvantaged citizens want that high paying executive job, then we are in for a big shambles.
Fact 1: many whites, and probably many blacks, are not suitable candidates
Fact 2: in any evenly balanced economy, poor people DO EXIST.
Fact 3: you dont become poor by birth. (I'm talking 1st world democracy here), sure, your opportunities are lessened by not having stinking rich parents, but so are the other 80% of the kids.
Actually, I'm not sure what point I am making, but it would serve as a good reminder to thumb suck some statistics.
4 millions whites "ran" the country. I would say 20% of them would be considered *rich* (like, mercedes millionaire rich, probably less)
so, if everything balanced out evenly, there are only (20% of 4 million) 800 000 well paying jobs.
800 000 for a country of 40million means around 2.5% of the population will be rich.
For the other 39.2 million, we will be middle class or poor...AA or BEE cant do **** about that. So, I would say the vast majority of the population should really re-assess their hopes of becoming stinking rich, and perhaps accept the fact that personal abilities dictate how well you do in life. Additionally, sometimes you get the breaks, and sometimes you dont. Grow up and take it like a man. I know I did.
Ekhaatvensters
Executive Member
How about Poor Economic Empowerment.
There are poor white too, why dont they deserve a job? Shure they werent oppressed, but it doesnt change a thing compared to a poor black person.
And there are rich blacks going to the same schoool as white kids and have possible more money than them, yet the black kids get into university and employment first, why? There is NO reason for that, those kids have the same opportunities, so they can easily get a job if they work hard.
There are poor white too, why dont they deserve a job? Shure they werent oppressed, but it doesnt change a thing compared to a poor black person.
And there are rich blacks going to the same schoool as white kids and have possible more money than them, yet the black kids get into university and employment first, why? There is NO reason for that, those kids have the same opportunities, so they can easily get a job if they work hard.
Millionaire rich?
In 2002 there were 25 000 millionaires in South Africa (in dollar terms). That includes ALL races so it is much less than 20%.
There are less than 8 million millionaires in the world (0.1% of the world's population).
werner, I think you've pretty much completely missed the point of the objectives of AA\BEE.
The idea is not to make 'every poor black man' 'stinking' rich, just like all the other 'stinking' rich white men, the idea instead was to try and give the blacks a chance in the formal economy, as it was thought that all blacks would be excluded as the general perception would of been: "Well they havent had propper schooling/training in 60 years, so why the hell am i gonna employ them\give them a tender??"
The point of this whole BEE/AA debacle was to basically give everyone a 'fair' chance, whatever that means *ducks*... Just because a minority of black people cashed in and got 'stinking' rich, doesn't mean that this is the intented outcome of the whole idea.
AA was proven in the States to be counter-productive and detromental to the economy, and didn't change the status-quo much. Now we have to go along with it for 10-20 years and only realize then that it was all pretty useless.
Gotta love Africa
The idea is not to make 'every poor black man' 'stinking' rich, just like all the other 'stinking' rich white men, the idea instead was to try and give the blacks a chance in the formal economy, as it was thought that all blacks would be excluded as the general perception would of been: "Well they havent had propper schooling/training in 60 years, so why the hell am i gonna employ them\give them a tender??"
The point of this whole BEE/AA debacle was to basically give everyone a 'fair' chance, whatever that means *ducks*... Just because a minority of black people cashed in and got 'stinking' rich, doesn't mean that this is the intented outcome of the whole idea.
AA was proven in the States to be counter-productive and detromental to the economy, and didn't change the status-quo much. Now we have to go along with it for 10-20 years and only realize then that it was all pretty useless.
Gotta love Africa
I think Wener has a point.
The policy objectives of AA/BEE are one thing...but the perceptions that people have are another.
If we look at perceptions I believe that:
1. Black people believe that all white people are rich.
2. Black people believe AA/BEE will make them like white people ie. rich.
This is a major misconception are their part because there is no political policy in the world (nevermind Africa) that is going to give 100% of a huge population a 3-bedroom house and a BMW. 100% of the small white population never had that - even with a political policy in place specifically aimed at making them the advantaged elite.
The policy objectives of AA/BEE are one thing...but the perceptions that people have are another.
If we look at perceptions I believe that:
1. Black people believe that all white people are rich.
2. Black people believe AA/BEE will make them like white people ie. rich.
This is a major misconception are their part because there is no political policy in the world (nevermind Africa) that is going to give 100% of a huge population a 3-bedroom house and a BMW. 100% of the small white population never had that - even with a political policy in place specifically aimed at making them the advantaged elite.