Address the land question

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A well written article on the land issues facing SA.
I do not necessairly agree with it or not but question a few thing though.

With more than 80% of the South African land surface still legally in the hands of whites, it is a puzzle that the land question does not feature prominently in current political and economic debates.
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80%, is this correct, out of interest what portion of South Africa's surface area does the government own?

Could've saved me a few minutes reading and just written these last 2 paragraphs
Finally, it is time for South Africans to learn from the Zimbabwean experience. In that country, about 50% of the land was taken by white settlers. This is nothing compared to South Africa. Further, for nearly two decades after independence, it appeared as though there was no land question in Zimbabwe.

One important lesson to draw from Zimbabwe’s experience is that land inequality that is rooted in colonial conquest and violent dispossession does not easily melt away. A closely related lesson is the need to address the land question proactively and democratically to avert, in the memorable words of Judge Didcott, “a crisis of the first order”.
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http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=316813&area=/insight/insight__comment_and_analysis/
 
One important lesson to draw from Zimbabwe’s experience is that land inequality that is rooted in colonial conquest and violent dispossession does not easily melt away
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As pointed out in another thread, we are all settlers here. This needs to be kept in mind when there are so many people claiming rightful ownership of land.
 
The truth is, we can learn from Zim.

If the government doesn't start pushing land reform even harder now, we are going to be in the same situation they are in now, in a couple of years.

The problem is, whites make up less than 20% of SA's population, but still they (we) hold more than 80% of the land in the country, that in itself does not make any sense at all.

Before land reform is pushed harder though, the government is trying to educate people to take over the land, without wasting it, which is a brilliant idea.

Be prepared to see land reform being pushed harder and harder in the future.
 
icyrus said:
As pointed out in another thread, we are all settlers here. This needs to be kept in mind when there are so many people claiming rightful ownership of land.
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Haha very very funny, sadly though this is no laughing matter. This is one situation that the gvt has neglected and will blow up sooner or later.
 
stoke said:
Agree'd. If you're not "black", sell your land just before 2010, after 2010 they'll just come and take it.
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lol I can't wait to pick up some great deals in 2010 then...

Is this the next panic date? I thought we had to sell after the referendum, then after the first elections, then after Mandela stepped down...

Now it's 2010. Is the world going to end at the same time :D
 
Yup .. was figuring, about 20 minutes after the "tourists" leave and the world is congratulating SA on a job well done, round about then the "Africans" can take what is rightfully theirs.

Now read the "what is rightfully theirs" part slowly.
 
My law lecturer brought up an interesting point in terms of land ownership the government owns the majority of the land in SA, white south african are actually only ranked third in the land ownership stakes
 
Bageloo said:
Haha very very funny, sadly though this is no laughing matter. This is one situation that the gvt has neglected and will blow up sooner or later.
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Did you mean to quote me, because I don't see the humor?
 
R/SGT said:
My law lecturer brought up an interesting point in terms of land ownership the government owns the majority of the land in SA, white south african are actually only ranked third in the land ownership stakes
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Who's 2nd?
 
icyrus said:
Did you mean to quote me, because I don't see the humor?
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...then you are more dellusional than I thought.
The land belonged to the blacks and they were forcibly removed from it when they were declared black spots in. I'm not talking ancient history here.
 
Bageloo said:
...then you are more dellusional than I thought.
The land belonged to the blacks and they were forcibly removed from it when they were declared black spots in. I'm not talking ancient history here.
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How far back do you go then? Just as far back as it suits you?
 
Bageloo there was no concept of land ownership rights before those "damn" colonists came along. Therefore at the time, it was a free-for-all and a survival of the fittest.
 
R/SGT said:
My law lecturer brought up an interesting point in terms of land ownership the government owns the majority of the land in SA, white south african are actually only ranked third in the land ownership stakes
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My point exactly, 80% mentioned is probably bollox stats.
Throwing around percentages flippantly is irresponsible and just fuels bad vibes.
 
When they refer to land, do they mean farmable land?

I for one, believe the land distribution should forge ahead; at a quick pace yet ensuring all parties are happy.
 
Dominic Rooney said:
Bageloo there was no concept of land ownership rights before those "damn" colonists came along. Therefore at the time, it was a free-for-all and a survival of the fittest.
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This is the biggest load of manure i've ever heard. Get some knowledge of "YOUR" country's history. Clearly the Zulu people owned this land.

http://www.sahistory.org.za/pages/places/villages/kwazuluNatal/Stanger/chronology.htm

Qoute:

"WHITE SETTLERS
From 1824, the first European Settlers started arriving in sailing ships from the Cape. They met and obtained land around the Bay from King Shaka, calling their tiny settlement. Port Natal. Later, it was to be re-named, Durban"
 
Slooth said:
When they refer to land, do they mean farmable land?

I for one, believe the land distribution should forge ahead; at a quick pace yet ensuring all parties are happy.
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If we're talking about farming then first you need to make sure the people on the receiving end of this redistribution are sufficiently trained in farm management which is a far cry from the skills you learn just from working on one. The last thing we want is for the country to suffer through a lack of sustainability just so the pace of redistribution can increase.
 
Jozi101 said:
"WHITE SETTLERS
From 1824, the first European Settlers started arriving in sailing ships from the Cape. They met and obtained land around the Bay from King Shaka, calling their tiny settlement. Port Natal. Later, it was to be re-named, Durban"
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offtopic:

And then why do the anc municipality in durban think they can rename streets, if it was given to the british?

Back on topic.....mmmmm nice weather we are having lately
 
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