Admissions policy for medical students

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'university guidelines laid down that prospective black medical students had to have a 74% senior certificate pass, coloureds 78%, Indians 88% and whites 91%.'
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I wonder what the statistics are for finishing a medical degree?
 
From late 80's UCT has had a policy where engineering students from HDSA were admitted on a minimum "D" on HG for Maths and Science. The minimum for other students was "C" on HG. However, some faculties/departments which had high number of applicants would raise the requirements to "C" for HDSA and "B" for the rest.

This was told to us during road shows by UCT and also companies like DeBeers and Anglo.
 
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How does lowering the standards for entrance to a faculty help the previously disadvantaged? Wouldn't it be better to offer sponsored bridging courses to those that have below 90%, thus keeping the standard of the actual entrance requirements?

On the other hand, as long as they don't have different pass rates for the different races, things should sort itself out after the first semester. However, if they also have different pass rates, we are going to end up with potentially sub-standard doctors on our hands.
 
Nod said:
How does lowering the standards for entrance to a faculty help the previously disadvantaged?
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For Engineering, the students from HDSA would enter a specific programme where the 1st year is sort of a bridging year. They would attended more tutorials and other support groups that were compulsory. Its a programme that would take 5 years to complete engineering. As far as I know, everyone wrote same exams.
 
Glad I went to stellies.Standards just dont drop and the place is run better than most public companies
 
I'm so glad that the relevant department at my uni doesn't give a fck what the Uni admin says....they do their own thing & have the power to push it through.
 
Friend of mine had a 92% average in grade 11 he got rejected by tuks, girl in my class had a 85% she got accepted, its racial and gender discrimination
 
When you don't take the best you won't end up with the best, simple.

We wallow in mediocrity in this country, we honestly do, in all spheres, especially in government.

The policies are racist and sexist in the extreme and certainly not fair, as the constitution of this country says they should be.
 
The aim is to deliver a class in which the best white students win places, and in which the best black African, Indian and coloured students do so too," he said.
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So is he saying blacks are only capable of achieving 74%? And whites are genetically capable of achieving a much higher 91%? While that is very flattering being a white person, anyone thats been in school can tell you, there is a huge difference between 74% and 91%.... They want to create an equal society in South Africa, yet they still encourage and push all these double standards. They are still saying - the blacks are inferior to the whites, cause they cant do as well at school - shame they need a handout. Its sad.
 
Sneeky said:
When you don't take the best you won't end up with the best, simple.

We wallow in mediocrity in this country, we honestly do, in all spheres, especially in government.

The policies are racist and sexist in the extreme and certainly not fair, as the constitution of this country says they should be.
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I would be careful to use matric results as a measure. In fact I had horrible matric results but boy did I do well at varsity!!! A medical degree takes a whole six/seven years. Don't you think that is ample time to get the PDI's up to speed before unleasing them into the industry?

It is ironic that the same people that are against AA in the workplace are also agaisnt AA measures being applied in places of higher education and training.
 
KillerX said:
So is he saying blacks are only capable of achieving 74%? And whites are genetically capable of achieving a much higher 91%? While that is very flattering being a white person, anyone thats been in school can tell you, there is a huge difference between 74% and 91%.... They want to create an equal society in South Africa, yet they still encourage and push all these double standards. They are still saying - the blacks are inferior to the whites, cause they cant do as well at school - shame they need a handout. Its sad.
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That's what you would dearly like to believe. However, nothing could be further from the truth. All they are saying is that blacks received and still continue to receive an education (formal and informal) that is sub-standard and therefore would not be able to achieve the same results as whites.
 
JungleBoy said:
I would be careful to use matric results as a measure. In fact I had horrible matric results but boy did I do well at varsity!!! A medical degree takes a whole six/seven years. Don't you think that is ample time to get the PDI's up to speed before unleasing them into the industry?
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As Nod said, there should be a sponsored bridging course for that rather than lowering entrance requirements.

JungleBoy said:
It is ironic that the same people that are against AA in the workplace are also agaisnt AA measures being applied in places of higher education and training.
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Not by any definition of the word ironic that I know of. Where a flawed policy is applied doesn't make it any less flawed.
 
JungleBoy said:
That's what you would dearly like to believe. However, nothing could be further from the truth. All they are saying is that blacks received and still continue to receive an education (formal and informal) that is sub-standard and therefore would not be able to achieve the same results as whites.
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Surely not those who go to the same schools as whites? Wouldn't it make slightly more sense then to base the entrance requirements of the standard of education received rather than the race of the student?
 
Who cares, if you know how to buy for 1 and sell for 2, your as safe as houses in this country.
 
icyrus said:
Surely not those who go to the same schools as whites? Wouldn't it make slightly more sense then to base the entrance requirements of the standard of education received rather than the race of the student?
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Hence I said both formal and informal education in my previous post. As human beings we learn a lot more from our nurtuirng environment than we do behind a school desk.

But even if you classified according to the schools attended, you are likely to end up with the same result except for a few cases. I will admit that this method applied by the university is a bit of a cop out because it's easy (administratively) to categorise based on racial groupings rather than historical schooling.
 
So is he saying blacks are only capable of achieving 74%? And whites are genetically capable of achieving a much higher 91%?
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So he's saying the white people are superior to the blacks??? Last time someone said that in SA he ended up losing his job
 
They should make it 74% for all and then see how many drop out after a year or two.

What happens now is that an indian person who gets 87% for matric or a white person who gets 90% cannot apply.

They should be admitted, because they have a far higher change of actually completing the course.
 
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