Adsl, Adsl2, Adsl2+

No. Telkom doesn't ever offer *proper* ADSL according to the internationally accepted definition of broadband. (192k is not broadband, and neither is 1Mbit - when you start talking 1.5Mbit onwards, then we can talk)

Also, ADSL2/2+ requires a different infrastructure in terms of the distance to the DSLAM - current ADSL can operate within 5.5km of the exchange; ADSL2/2+ requires 2.2 km or thereabouts, so Telkom would have to install mini-DSLAMs.
 
allyoucaneat said:
Is there a way to check that I'm on ADSL and not on ADSL2?
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Simple, u just ask where am I?

If the answer is South Africa then ur not on ADSL2, if u live elsewhere u might be.:D
 
titanium said:
No. Telkom doesn't ever offer *proper* ADSL according to the internationally accepted definition of broadband. (192k is not broadband, and neither is 1Mbit - when you start talking 1.5Mbit onwards, then we can talk)

Also, ADSL2/2+ requires a different infrastructure in terms of the distance to the DSLAM - current ADSL can operate within 5.5km of the exchange; ADSL2/2+ requires 2.2 km or thereabouts, so Telkom would have to install mini-DSLAMs.
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not really... USA says that always on and 256 and higher is broadband... Canada is a min 1.5MBits... Depends where u are.
 
allyoucaneat said:
Is there a way to check that I'm on ADSL and not on ADSL2?
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Is your modem compatible with all 3? Try one that isnt.
 
I'm pretty shure we use plain ADSL here, and even by American specifications we aren't getting real DSL, 192kb that dissconects every 12hours? With ADSL2 and 2+ we would shurely get much higher speeds than 192 and max 1mb... but then we should be getting higher even on regular adsl so what the hell.
 
3gb cap is not a characteristic of real broadband
 
ic said:
Telkodemonopoly's master-plan [leaked at the MyADSL Conference on 1st November], is to use SHDSL to add a dash of "QoS" to their "best-effort" service...

No mention of ADSL2/2+ or VDSL/2
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Are you sure it was SHDSL? Because SHDSL runs symmetrical data rates and as far as I know doesn't allow voice portion on the line (meaning you would need another line to act as the landline for voice calls)......

CRAP now that I think about it, it really makes sense... They would have a reason to ask line rental :( (Imagine their story..."A physical line to the users home, bla bla money, bla bla mantenance)

But it would mean a completely new local loop for every home, not exactly cost effetive if you ask me.....

Ps. Nice of them to add Qos, when we thought shaping wasn't enough... tsk,tsk (and not to mention the thrilling new possiblity to shape traffic regardless of bandwidth provider, how very monopolistic of them)
 
Maybe SHDSL is Telkom's replacement technology for Diginet (i.e. will be used more for point to point applications instead of Internet access).
 
allyoucaneat said:
Does Telkom use ADSL, ADSL2 or ADSL2+?
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They actually place you on the 512 ADSL – 250 depending on what package you have taken. Or you can ask them for option two 512 ADSL + Overpriced. We are actually luckier than any other country in the world with so many options on ADSL to choose from. I personally went for the ADSL 512 + Rip-off option. I find this to be about the best as I can now quite confidently use my ADSL 512 without question knowing that I should at least at some time reach a speed in excess of 192.
 
titanium said:
No. Telkom doesn't ever offer *proper* ADSL according to the internationally accepted definition of broadband. (192k is not broadband, and neither is 1Mbit - when you start talking 1.5Mbit onwards, then we can talk)

Also, ADSL2/2+ requires a different infrastructure in terms of the distance to the DSLAM - current ADSL can operate within 5.5km of the exchange; ADSL2/2+ requires 2.2 km or thereabouts, so Telkom would have to install mini-DSLAMs.
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Actually guys ADSL2/2+ is a far better product. It has better range (I think up to 8km) and is cheaper to install and run, so it would make sense to deploy it, even running slowly.

You can see the type of service Telkom uses by looking at the configuration of your modem. If I remember correctly I'm connected using G.Dmt which is standard ADSL capable of up to 8mb. Some folks may be using G.Lite (1.5Mb/s and longer range) But I don't know.
 
@tit :)
Are you sure of that? I was under the impression that ADSL2/2+ allowed greater distances from the exchange (longer loop). I stand to be corrected though, will look it up.

titanium said:
No. Telkom doesn't ever offer *proper* ADSL according to the internationally accepted definition of broadband. (192k is not broadband, and neither is 1Mbit - when you start talking 1.5Mbit onwards, then we can talk)

Also, ADSL2/2+ requires a different infrastructure in terms of the distance to the DSLAM - current ADSL can operate within 5.5km of the exchange; ADSL2/2+ requires 2.2 km or thereabouts, so Telkom would have to install mini-DSLAMs.
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Scooby_Doo said:
not really... USA says that always on and 256 and higher is broadband... Canada is a min 1.5MBits... Depends where u are.
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I though that ITU says 1.5Mbps, so isn't that an international norm then?
 
No it's a recommendation. The term 'Broadband' is just that, too broad and subjective to be classified. As i've said before, we need to quantify the ratings. Something like:
64k = basic data
128k = basic audio
256k = HD Audio 2.1
512 = HD Audio 5.1
1Mb = low video
2Mb = basic video
4Mb = streaming DVD
8Mb+ = HD streaming video
 
CodeMaster said:
OK, you were right, I apologise ;)
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/cgi-bin/news/viewnews.cgi?id=EEFplFyZEkrNkluWdw

Although, 8mbit @ 3km would still be acceptable to me :)
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Wikipedia ADSL said:
ADSL2 and ADSL2+ Annex L are also known as READSL2 / READSL2+, where RE stands for Reach Extended. With this ADSL standard, the power of the lower frequencies used for transmitting data is boosted up to increase the reach of this signal up to 7 kilometers (23,000 ft). Although this standard has been ratified by the ITU, not all local loop network maintainers (usually the old monopolist telco's) allow this protocol to be used on their network, simply because the extra power on the lower frequencies might cause problems for existing services due to cross-talk
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Source: Wikipedia
Link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_Digital_Subscriber_Line

There are many standards when it comes to DSL, esp. ADSL2+ which can be configured for speed or for distance(in terms of speaking) as I understand it.

EDIT: Doobiwan, that is defenitiley the right way to approach it, explain(or rather market) it to the general public what the particular line speed is capable of.
 
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I read somewhere here a while ago that telkom has infact been installing ADSL2 DSLAMS for a while now, as it is cheaper to install / maintain, but its just limited to old-school ADSL speeds...
 
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