ADSL prices too low?

RaptorSA said:
I hear what everyone here has to say.
But oh well... whatever the reason, I'm still on my 20GB capped WebAfrica account. It sucks not having uncapped, but at least when the uncapped users crap their pants when Seacom goes down I'm dowloading at 400 Mbps+
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Holy term confusions, Batman! 400Mbps? where can I sign up for one of those? That's 50MB a second! Your 20GB cap would be gone in under 7 minutes :D
 
RaptorSA said:
I hear what everyone here has to say.
But oh well... whatever the reason, I'm still on my 20GB capped WebAfrica account. It sucks not having uncapped, but at least when the uncapped users crap their pants when Seacom goes down I'm dowloading at 400 Mbps+
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WA: R899 / 20GB, or R44.95 / GB. I average over 50GB / month. 50GB will cost me R2,259.00 (or R45.18 / GB). MWEB costs me R539 / month for the same 50GB. For the R1,720 difference per month I can afford to keep a backup postpaid account going, or to buy some prepaid data when MWEB goes down.
 
Valerion said:
WA: R899 / 20GB, or R44.95 / GB. I average over 50GB / month. 50GB will cost me R2,259.00 (or R45.18 / GB). MWEB costs me R539 / month for the same 50GB. For the R1,720 difference per month I can afford to keep a backup postpaid account going, or to buy some prepaid data when MWEB goes down.
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Yup, between free Cybersmart and Afrihost gigs thats pretty much my redundancy plan.
 
Price collusion?

The only thing I read while reading this article is the following:

"We are looking for an excuse for price collusion."

Nuff said.
 
Laurie.... you're a tool, its time that you accepted it and then shut up. Nobody wants to hear your mad ramblings anymore.
 
Still doing 400GB plus on MWEB uncapped, so I get what I pay for! :D
 
It seems to me that everyone on this thread knows how to run CyberSmart, or for that matter Telkom much better then their own CEO's - who by the way have been very successful at what they do. So why don't you all start your own ISP's with ADSL below R10/GB - do you actually know what ADSL per GB costs, even at the highest wholesale price? Do you have staff, rent, insurance, transportation, medical aid, retirement, etc etc to pay? Then I'd like to see everyone here who thinks he's better than any ISP who's actually done all of this and did it successfully is an idiot to rethink your position.

We are not America - go live there for 2 years and see what it's like. You'd be lucky to get a T1 if you pay enough for it.
Nor are we Hong Kong - would you want to live on a R400/pm salary just to get 100Mbs connection at home? Sure, traffic jams are different since they can't afford cars, but hey that's your choice :)


Stop whining about other's failures and do something about it. Or shutup, it's getting old
 
I've got further bad news for Mr. Falkov... when the benefits of EASSy and WACS start filtering through, prices are going to drop even further.

There is one way to win this war... get competitive now.... or find another industry to work in.
 
I actually couldn't stop laughing after reading this article. I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather pay R19 per gig and suffer a few outages every now and then, than go back to paying R100 per gig from a few years ago.

What these ISPs fail to grasp is that price is everything to consumers. Not quality of service, not value-added services, but price. What I find really astounding though is Laurie Fialkov's apparent lack of understanding of the basic economic principles of demand and supply. Instead of looking Axxess and Afrihost and thinking "what can I do to compete with these guys", he just moans and complains about how expensive everything is, blah blah blah, like a spoilt little brat in a school playground.
 
Utter garbage, who cares about the smaller ISPs that offer below-par services anyways?

Prices are still to high and will only be fair once tellkom's line rental + tel rental package bs is sorted out.
 
SoftDux-Rudi said:
It seems to me that everyone on this thread knows how to run CyberSmart, or for that matter Telkom much better then their own CEO's - who by the way have been very successful at what they do. So why don't you all start your own ISP's with ADSL below R10/GB - do you actually know what ADSL per GB costs, even at the highest wholesale price? Do you have staff, rent, insurance, transportation, medical aid, retirement, etc etc to pay? Then I'd like to see everyone here who thinks he's better than any ISP who's actually done all of this and did it successfully is an idiot to rethink your position.

We are not America - go live there for 2 years and see what it's like. You'd be lucky to get a T1 if you pay enough for it.
Nor are we Hong Kong - would you want to live on a R400/pm salary just to get 100Mbs connection at home? Sure, traffic jams are different since they can't afford cars, but hey that's your choice :)


Stop whining about other's failures and do something about it. Or shutup, it's getting old
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Typical South African businessman mentality... "I won't change so start your own business if you think you can do it better"

I'm sorry but I actually learn from others. I just don't go blindly flailing my arms trying to fight for my piece of the pie unlike most people out there. And why the **** would I want to compare myself with other 3rd world countries when South Africa is the only "3rd world" currency in the Top 10 "most traded" currencies in the world?

T1? Did you visit America in the 1990's? Sounds like it. And like I said, adapt or die... technology evolved. So should you.
 
Oh cry me a river.

A while ago the high prices for bandwidth were attributed to the cost of international. Now that international is cheap, the reason for high prices lies elsewhere? All us consumers know is we've always been lied to and ripped off i.t.o. broadband prices. Telkom seems to be the main real problem, so take it up with or lobby them don't whine about it to us consumers.
 
Cheap my hairy s@ck! It's not cheap! The ISPs should complain about the things worth complaining about. Like Telkom hitching a profit ride with every single product they sell. If Telkom would just lower their ridiculous access and line charges then it would give all of them more room to breathe.
 
To fix the IPC means LLU. Not Gonna happen anytime soon.

If it weren't for Altech, Other operators wouldn't BE ALLOWED TO PUT THEIR OWN CABLES DOWN.
Now that some people have invested MILLIONS to have THEIR OWN FIBER IN THE GROUND, some ISPs are crying about how ant-competitive they are for using a different local carrier?

I'm still scratching my head... how do they say "Unsustainable" when 8 months later, EVERY DSL ARTICLE STILL STARTS OFF WITH: "In May this year, MWEB changed the face of ADSL in South Africa when..."

They went from "the most hated ISP" to "ISP of the year" in one month... and that is called unsustainable?

EISH... methinks you need to read some beeznis books ne?

I read a book that had adapted Sun Tzu's "Art of War" for businesses. One of the chapters quoted Mr. Tzu: "If you know your enemy and do not know yourself, prepare for defeat. If you know your enemy and know yourself, you need not worry for you will not lose a thousand battles."
Know yourself.
Know your business model
Know that YOU'RE DOIN IT WRONG!

Man up FFS.
 
SoftDux-Rudi said:
It seems to me that everyone on this thread knows how to run CyberSmart, or for that matter Telkom much better then their own CEO's - who by the way have been very successful at what they do. So why don't you all start your own ISP's with ADSL below R10/GB - do you actually know what ADSL per GB costs, even at the highest wholesale price? Do you have staff, rent, insurance, transportation, medical aid, retirement, etc etc to pay? Then I'd like to see everyone here who thinks he's better than any ISP who's actually done all of this and did it successfully is an idiot to rethink your position.
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While these points are not invalid, they are of no concern to the customer. I as a customer don't care how companies make their money. But I am not willing to pay extortional prices for internet access anymore. That's how the market works, you either supply what the customer wants, or you go under and someone else picks up the pieces. It's very simple. I don't know how to run an ISP, and I don't really care. What I know is that the ISPs who stay competitive and move with the reality of the market will prevail, the others will either go under or at least shrink to the point of insignificance.
 
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