ADSL users are not welcome !

[microfast]

Local 2nd tier ISPs pay say R2000 / 64K / mnth.

An ADSL link to the 2nd tier ISP server "demands"
up to 512K of the ISP's bandwidth.
Telkom / SAIX do not have this problem.

The conclusion must be that ADSL is most unwelcome at
the 2nd tier ISPs.

Will ADSL be the demise of the local ISPs ??[V]

 

[ckleynhans]

You are right, ADSL must put a lot of pressure on the 2nd Tiers. The 2nd Tiers on the other hand provides one of the ADSL bottlenecks due to this. The Monopoly has been singlehandedly responsible for the demise of so many companies in this country, it is not a joke anymore. Proudly South African they say. Well, I am not proud to have them in my country and I don't want their shares for free!

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[ckleynhans]

Just to add to my previous comment. Leased line services are completely overpriced and I know for a fact that this is true because I worked in this industry before. The intention is to undercut any SNO the moment that they appear. The leased line market is very attractive and it would be relatively easy for the SNO to offer services in this arena as the networks are already in place. But they will find it very difficult to stay competitive because guess who is going to drop their prices significantly on leased line services. No, I am not psychic!

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[imported_admin]

As far as I know, all ISP's that want to offer ADSL, must buy the service in bulk from SAIX, then add the VAS and resell it to the customers. So strictly speaking, even an ISP with only 64K bandwidth can offer the ADSL service to the public, as it completly bypasses the ISP's bandwidth.

The only thing that you will find with an ISP with only 64k bandwidth, is that your incomming e-mail might be a bit slow. The rest will be 100% as Telkom ADSL.

The on the other hand, there are ways for ISP's to get more bandwidth, at reduced rates.

 

[ASF]

admin is right as far as I know ANY company other than Telkom buys a VISP ADSL service and on sells with their own markup / marketing etc but essentially they act a resellers for Telkom...

 

[microfast]

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<br />As far as I know, all ISP's that want to offer ADSL, must buy the service in bulk from SAIX, then add the VAS and resell it to the customers. So strictly speaking, even an ISP with only 64K bandwidth can offer the ADSL service to the public, as it completly bypasses the ISP's bandwidth.
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Yes, this is understood - but I am talking about something else.

It is the bandwidth cost that the 2nd tier ISP is paying to provide access to content on their servers that poses a major threat to the ISP. Imagine 100 users downloading 1GB
per day from the ISP's ftp site - that's expensive for the ISP.

After the cap many adsl users are looking for local sites for files etc.
MonoKOM is quite happy with this situation - hence no cap on local sites.

The saix ftp site is super fast and uncapped, so watch for the expansion of
services here and reduction of content on the 2nd tier ISP servers.
No need to explain the eventual outcome in this situation.

 

[ASF]

Content wise I think you are correct. But then again even a tier 2 ISP can peer locally and local peering is not that expensive. The tier number is used to define how far from an international peering facility the ISP is. So tier 2 implies they buy upstream international bandwidth from a tier 1 who has a direct upstream connection into an international peering point via an international IP provider located at telehouse / peering facility. Nothing stops them from providing their own Telkom leased lines to the local peering points.