Advice on salaries

[sumacveneneux]

Hello the Forum,

I would like your advice please - as I have mentioned before, I have a truckload of roles. However, because salary tends to be such an individual thing, when I ask for it, the company recruiting simply tells me: "If we like them, we will better their salary on presentation of a salary slip" (and that ESPECIALLY includes the seniors, the architects, the enterprise architects, the technical architect and the CTO's).

On the other hand I have you, who I see as my actual clients. And you tell me that you want to see a salary in my introduction Email. So, do I lie, and add the highest market related salary for the role, or do I tell you above? I ask, because most of the comments I see, is about lack of salary or salary too low or salary not mentioned.

Thanking you in advance

 

[Ancalagon]

It is a difficult because salary is such a contentious issue.

But I would say that the company should be able to provide you with a range, even if they tell you not to advertise it. Maybe they don't want candidates that are after money - that is fine. But let's say that their hiring budget is R40k per month, and you come across the perfect candidate who is currently earning R45k per month. If they don't tell you that they can only go up to R40k per month, you could end up wasting everyone's time, including your own, if you send the candidate in.

 

[lucifir]

I say you can only provide what you have, so provide what the company gives you, but make sure you advise said company of the consequences of their decision, as most candidates will not even consider them. Definitely do not lie, as you will them become just another recruiter that no one wants to deal with

 

[JackWhite]

Perhaps they could mention by how much they would better current salary? Some companies don't go more than 10%

 

[Stefanmuller]

It is a difficult because salary is such a contentious issue.

But I would say that the company should be able to provide you with a range, even if they tell you not to advertise it. Maybe they don't want candidates that are after money - that is fine. But let's say that their hiring budget is R40k per month, and you come across the perfect candidate who is currently earning R45k per month. If they don't tell you that they can only go up to R40k per month, you could end up wasting everyone's time, including your own, if you send the candidate in.

The converse is even more of an issue, if they budget for R40k and your payslip shows R20k because your previous employer severally underpaid you, they will likely only offer you R25k.

 

[PsyWulf]

Point them to the last thread,where the overwhelming majority of candidates will tell them to buzz off even before reading since they don't feel it necessary to indicate salary

 

[AlmightyBender]

I don't see how previous salary has anything to do with the salary of the role you are applying for. If there is a dependency or relationship that is an immediate warning bell for me. If a company is telling you they don't want to put a figure to it then they are simply lying or idiotic. In reality they definately have a budget which is known. Even if it is a range.

The only reason I can think of for not disclosing was mentioned above, which is to take advantage of somebody who potentially was previously taken advantage of:

The converse is even more of an issue, if they budget for R40k and your payslip shows R20k because your previous employer severally underpaid you, they will likely only offer you R25k.

 

[Nether]

I don't see how previous salary has anything to do with the salary of the role you are applying for. If there is a dependency or relationship that is an immediate warning bell for me. If a company is telling you they don't want to put a figure to it then they are simply lying or idiotic. In reality they definately have a budget which is known. Even if it is a range.

The only reason I can think of for not disclosing was mentioned above, which is to take advantage of somebody who potentially was previously taken advantage of:

+1

 

[sumacveneneux]

To me it seems, that if I want to run an ethical business, there are clients who I will simply need to say no to. I am aiming to be the best IT representative in the the industry, to be that person, I need to be trustworthy above all. So, this was an easy answer after-all

Thank you so much for your input, I appreciate your views very much!

 

[cguy]

I would like your advice please - as I have mentioned before, I have a truckload of roles. However, because salary tends to be such an individual thing, when I ask for it, the company recruiting simply tells me: "If we like them, we will better their salary on presentation of a salary slip" (and that ESPECIALLY includes the seniors, the architects, the enterprise architects, the technical architect and the CTO's).

You should insist on the highest number they are willing to pay. Internally they have made the decision to go to approximately some limit, then a bit above that for exceptional cases - even that limit may be way to low. What if they're thinking up to 40k/m, but up to 70k/m for exceptional cases, and then someone shows up with a 100k/m salary? Do they interview the candidate, and then only decide that they can't afford it? More than likely the candidate won't apply (because they suspects they can't afford it), but more importantly, someone who earns 60k won't apply for the same reason, and they may lose a great potential employee.

 

[sumacveneneux]

I fully agree with you cguy. And I certainly hope that there are people who can implement changes who are taking note of all these subjects that we have been discussing the last few months..