Afghan opium 'hits record output'

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This stinks of something rancid and ripe.

"Opium production in Afghanistan reached record levels last year, the United States has said. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6410263.stm

Yet under the Taleban, poppy production dropped dramatically,--- search results, headlines Taleban and poppy:
http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/sea...all&edition=i&q=taleban+poppy&go.x=21&go.y=15

How does poppy production increase, as soon as Afghanistan is "liberated", but decrease under the Taleban?
It does seem as if America is winning the war on drugs, winning the war to control the drugs.
 
Nanfeishen said:
This stinks of something rancid and ripe.

"Opium production in Afghanistan reached record levels last year, the United States has said. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6410263.stm

Yet under the Taleban, poppy production dropped dramatically,--- search results, headlines Taleban and poppy:
http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/sea...all&edition=i&q=taleban+poppy&go.x=21&go.y=15

How does poppy production increase, as soon as Afghanistan is "liberated", but decrease under the Taleban?
It does seem as if America is winning the war on drugs, winning the war to control the drugs.
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And the Caspian Oil basin!
 
The US government was paying the Taliban to destroy opium crops. Just another example of their willingness to support slime and scum. The US gave them money knowing they oppressed women and supported terrorism that killed Americans. The end justifies the means, anything goes in the war on drugs (just like it used to in the war on communism).

Now Afghanistan is back to being a major opium producer. The increased output will probably suppress prices, although they will have to remain high enough to justify the effort required to move the drug across borders. The trade will fund local warlords in Afghanistan and drug gangs in other countries.
 
Well good for the Afghanis, 'cos they've had a terrible time recently. Nice to see that things are finally coming together for them. :p
 
haha, actually i remember a report that said crimes like rape, and drug trade and things like public drunkedness was surging after the US liberated afghan people. Now the Talibunnies where strict, many say overly strict but aleast they did have a positive effect in those area's of life ;) To bad they were corrupt too and pissed off bush..

[note: i am not condoning what they did tho, I think justice in a country has to be decided by the many rather than the few, ie a democatric way]
 
This situation also confounds me.
On the one hand they say that one of the reasons to be in Afghanistan, is to control the opium trade. On the other, they tell us it is their only source of income and they are loathe to remove it.

To my mind, the opium industry is helping Afghanis to buy guns and it should be stopped now. The fields can be sprayed quite easily or some GM work can be done to stop the poppies growing properly.
 
krycor said:
haha, actually i remember a report that said crimes like rape, and drug trade and things like public drunkedness was surging after the US liberated afghan people. Now the Talibunnies where strict, many say overly strict but aleast they did have a positive effect in those area's of life ;)
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I'm sure they mean reports of rape are surging. Under the Taliban a woman reporting rape would probably have been executed for either adultery or pre-marital sex.

krycor said:
[note: i am not condoning what they did tho, I think justice in a country has to be decided by the many rather than the few, ie a democatric way]
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The tyranny of the majority versus the tyranny of the few.

If it were easy eliminate the opium trade I'm sure someone would have done it by now.
 
Actually its quite hard from the one or two documentaries on afghan poppies production i saw. Basically if you want to stop it u have to use force. Lotsa of the outlying nomadic/rural groups do it and often it one of the nefarious activities they do armed too. The telebunnies cleared some but there were also reports that they themselves favoured some to produce for money :/

Well democracy is not really ever the perfect system, it just tries to be a better than dictatorship. There is no perfect system, without one group claiming opression of freedoms in one way or form.
 
krycor said:
Actually its quite hard from the one or two documentaries on afghan poppies production i saw. Basically if you want to stop it u have to use force. Lotsa of the outlying nomadic/rural groups do it and often it one of the nefarious activities they do armed too. The telebunnies cleared some but there were also reports that they themselves favoured some to produce for money :/

Well democracy is not really ever the perfect system, it just tries to be a better than dictatorship. There is no perfect system, without one group claiming opression of freedoms in one way or form.
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The 'Telebunnies' are mossies so drugs are OK. No alcohol though or you get lynched.
 
might be interesting for folks to get their heads around a concept of
drugs being used to keep the worlds banking systems afloat, by providing
large quantities of real cash..

Sounds bizarre, but - to start with, read
THE LIES ABOUT TALIBAN HEROIN:
http://www.robert-fisk.com/lies_about_taliban_heroin.htm

and some of the articles on historical CIA drug smuggling.
http://copvcia.com/free/ciadrugs/index.html

More assorted CIA and Drug smuggling articles/info
http://www.wethepeople.la/ciadrugs.htm

CIA and the Drug Trade
http://www.csun.edu/~hfspc002/news/cia.drug.html

Underground Banking and National Security
http://www.subcontinent.com/sapra/bulletin/96feb-mar/si960308.html
 
I would smoke opium but would never take heroine...I would love to get my hands on some pure opium...Opium is as different to heroine as cocaine is to crack!!
 
Crack is freebased cocained, converted so it can be smoked. It would be eqivalent to smoking heroin instead of insufflating it. In both cases it is exactly the same chemical. Whereas opium contains opiates that are not heroin.
 
noxibox said:
Crack is freebased cocained, converted so it can be smoked. It would be eqivalent to smoking heroin instead of insufflating it. In both cases it is exactly the same chemical. Whereas opium contains opiates that are not heroin.
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Is crack not pure uncut, untreated coke? I think it is.
 
noxibox said:
Crack is freebased cocained, converted so it can be smoked. It would be eqivalent to smoking heroin instead of insufflating it. In both cases it is exactly the same chemical. Whereas opium contains opiates that are not heroin.
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Heroin is a refined form of opium. In order to make heroin you need to boil down the opium and add other chemicals. Eventually you end up with a salt, one that is capable of a much faster blood-brain barrier crossing. Heroin is highly concentrated and you only need a small quantity to get high.

On the other hand, opium is a lot less potent with the user needing to smoke quite a bit before feeling the effects.

The difference IMO lies in how the two drugs present themselves for use. Taking heroin and trying to administer the right amount is like knowing how drunk you want to get and trying to achieve that by downing consecutive double shot glasses of straw rum. With opium, its like knowing how drink you want to get and then slowly sipping bears while waiting to see when you hit the right point. When it comes to mood manipulation, heroin is like trying to fix you computer with hammer, while suing opium to manipulate your mood is like using the proper tools
 
There is no heroin in opium. It is a synthesized chemical based on morphine. They are two different drugs. It isn't the purity that makes a difference, pure morphine is not the same drug as pure heroin.

Taking the right amount of illegal heroin is difficult to judge because the quantity and purity is unknown. If it were pure, pharmaceutical heroin you could measure out exactly the right amount. On the other hand many people choose to use routes other than injection that do give them control analogous to sipping a beer. It's all in the dose.
 
keep your eyes open for poppy plants - if you look 'em up online to see what
they look like, and find some growing around -you can basically get your own opium
(once the sap dries) - I think it was Thomas Jefferson who had opium poppies in
his 'medicinal garden' by the White House.
So its just the authorities who like the idea of people thinking that 'opium poppies'
only grow in certain places in the world. Wrong. They're all over the place, and can
be used for recreational purposes.
Pretty much, given the climate of SA, you probably have a goodly supply of potential opium
lurking near you - just unrecognized and sitting in the veld, or park, or someones garden..

Opium's interesting, but its not a good 'party' drug :) I could go into detail - but .. you know :)
"Morphine is a member of the narcotic family, all of which are derived from the opium poppy."
http://www.portfolio.mvm.ed.ac.uk/studentwebs/session2/group12/morphine.htm
 
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mossies ?? if that meant muslim then no drugs are not allowed, selling, dealing , buying, pushing, or consuming mmkay.
 
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