Afrinic faces liquidation

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Africa's Internet registry faces liquidation

IP broker Cloud Innovation has instituted liquidation proceedings against the African Network Information Centre (Afrinic) on Thursday, 10 July, with notice of the action placed in Mauritian newspapers.

In a statement issued on Friday, Cloud Innovation said that, given recent developments, it does not believe there is a reasonable prospect to restore Afrinic to proper governance in a timely manner.
 
Ahhhhhhh, bless you, my beloved South Africa.
I wouldn't have my chaos any other way.
 
I remember this,, Cloud Innovation is actually not an African Company at all, and instead was giving its IPs to certain countries in Asia. This was what started the discussion in the first place, then in a bid for a takeover, Cloud Innovation decided to shutter Afrinic. This is still ongoing in 2025...
 
I used to work with Afrinic when Alan Barrett was CEO. Excellent and well controlled company to do business with and you had to really be good at what you did to win tenders and/or RFPs etc.

Then it went downhill… including the new CEO (and then his interim replacement) were choosing service providers for the company based on less than savory reasons….

It’s a pity but I guess that’s it now.
 
sigh… to Cloud Innovation; what are you planning to get out of this? If the RIR is invalid so is your space and the world null routes you. You don't “own” IPs, we the operators agree to let you use them, and if you over play your hand we have no legal obligation to carry your traffic. So, as they say, “good luck with all that” you created a lose lose game for yourself
 
themajectic said:
I remember this,, Cloud Innovation is actually not an African Company at all, and instead was giving its IPs to certain countries in Asia. This was what started the discussion in the first place, then in a bid for a takeover, Cloud Innovation decided to shutter Afrinic. This is still ongoing in 2025...
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Are they the same guys that bought stolen ip ranges and then got hot and bothered when the said addresses were revoked because the theft was discovered or sold to a higher bidding crook, or something along those lines?

Edit: The guy I was thinking about posted on Mybb a while back trying to prop up his case but I think he was one of the smaller fry and Cloud innovations is the real whale.
 
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airborne said:
Are they the same guys that bought stolen ip ranges and then got hot and bothered when the said addresses were revoked because the theft was discovered or sold to a higher bidding crook, or something along those lines?

Edit: The guy I was thinking about posted on Mybb a while back trying to prop up his case but I think he was one of the smaller fry and Cloud innovations is the real whale.
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Lu Heng is a “human” who operates shell companies who apply for IP space and lease it back to China. Many/most/all of the leasing is to “business” like vpns, pornography, drugs, spam, scams, “technical state entities”

He also sues anyone who points out ethical and moral values of depriving countries of their allocated space for less than onerous clientele

It’s one of those rare self defeating prophecies. The kind where eventually someone in charge disappears or lands up at the bottom of an ocean while the world quietly smirks and forgets about you like Jeffry Epstine
 
cda said:
sigh… to Cloud Innovation; what are you planning to get out of this? If the RIR is invalid so is your space and the world null routes you. You don't “own” IPs, we the operators agree to let you use them, and if you over play your hand we have no legal obligation to carry your traffic. So, as they say, “good luck with all that” you created a lose lose game for yourself
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So the operators of the physical networks can just blacklist the ip address ranges essentially rendering them worthless?
 
airborne said:
So the operators of the physical networks can just blacklist the ip address ranges essentially rendering them worthless?
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Technically yes.. But it would require a unified effort to do so and that is unfortunately unlikely.
 
cda said:
Pretty automatic if its no longer delegated to a RIR and hits filters 😂
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Well yeah true, just gets interesting if some ISPs decide to keep routing blocks themselves which is not something that would surprise me from Chinese and maybe even Russian ISPs.

Will be interesting to see how this does play out in the long run though.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Well yeah true, just gets interesting if some ISPs decide to keep routing blocks themselves which is not something that would surprise me from Chinese and maybe even Russian ISPs.

Will be interesting to see how this does play out in the long run though.
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Even the chinese and russians have rules, less stringent than others on some areas true but whenever they don't like you, there's not even a chance to represent yourself . Just... poka
 
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