After Brexit - options and outcomes

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Now that a small but decisive majority in Britain have opted to exit the Brussels-based EU parliament, what is the likely course for Britain in practical political and economic terms? And what are the ramifications and options for SA?

Of course the Article 50 provisions of the 2007 Lisbon treaty will be invoked. These inter alia bind the EU to good-faith negotiations so as to minimise any disruptions to the departing state, particularly in trade. Though some Continentals, notably the dirigiste French elites, are not entirely free of spite, it is pretty certain that Britain's free trade with Europe will remain largely intact and unaffected, and easily accommodated in some form of modified accession to the EFTA (European Free Trade Association). South Africa has already enacted into local law the EFTA-SACU treaty (in 2008).

This thread is for a more serious discussion of the options and likely directions for a post-Brexit Britain.

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Here's an ad rem 2014 op ed by James C. Bennett looking at the options: After the Brexit. What happens if - or when - Britain leaves the EU?. A conservative American technologist, consultant in tech and rocketry (and author of The Anglosphere Challenge : Why the English-Speaking Nations will Lead the Way in the 21st Century and more recently A Time For Audacity: New Options Beyond Europe), he suggests that the expansion of NAFTA is a real and viable option. Interesting. And for me, compelling. And remember, he's writing in 2014.

He has expanded on this thinking by proposing a CANZUK treaty (brief USA Today summary).

Whatever your views on this issue, there is little doubt that we are witnessing the beginnings of a realignment of tectonic proportions. Almost all the "experts" got Brexit wrong (that itself is significant for different reasons), and now even the most far-fetched options like a NAFTA accession and a closer CANZUK integration are on the table.
 
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Nobody can predict the future. You're exposed to foreign stock exchanges, what's happening there?! If they're crashing, you are crashing.

More interested in how the new structure will be as the DBx will be changed now ( so says the asset managers on Twitter)
 
More interested in how the new structure will be as the DBx will be changed now ( so says the asset managers on Twitter)
You'll need to ask an ETF expert. Nerina maybe? My very uneducated guess would that they'll lessen exposure to Europe? Or maybe DBX Europe tracker will be reweighed since the UK won't be part of it? Fsck knows.
 
You'll need to ask an ETF expert. Nerina maybe? My very uneducated guess would that they'll lessen exposure to Europe? Or maybe DBX Europe tracker will be reweighed since the UK won't be part of it? Fsck knows.

They may not be EU for much longer but they're still in Europe.
 
They may not be EU for much longer but they're still in Europe.
Not sure how that Euro tracker is set up to work. There is a DBUK ETF anyway if in not mistaken.
 
Not sure how that Euro tracker is set up to work. There is a DBUK ETF anyway if in not mistaken.

I almost bought that one last year because I was thinking ahh the UK those guys are the best. Boy am I glad I bought DBXWD instead
 
Can someone explain to me something about the Brexit, has Scotland no say in the brexit? Are they tied to Britain with regards to Britain's choice? As I understand the same referendum in Scotland found a 70% pro stay result.
 
As I left, I felt sad because the worlds of Matteo and John are so far apart. It is tragic that events that happened a thousand years ago should continue to separate British people from each other and impact on the relationship of the country to Europe, with which it has historically had many good wars. Thursday as British people vote to remain in or leave the EU, the biggest driver will be this ancient ethnic schism between Normans and Anglo-Saxons. It’s clear that given these intractable differences, which the United States can meddle with but cannot solve, the only solution is to split the U.K., with one side in the EU and the other out. The border between Leavia and Remania would run through London, which would be a demilitarized zone under UN administration, with peacekeepers along the border. Perhaps this or that area will be on the wrong side. But that’s the nature of colonial borders.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/06/brexit-middle-east/488453/ What if columnists wrote about the U.K. the way they do about the Middle East?
 
Can someone explain to me something about the Brexit, has Scotland no say in the brexit? Are they tied to Britain with regards to Britain's choice? As I understand the same referendum in Scotland found a 70% pro stay result.

Scotland is part of the UK. The UK voted to leave the EU. End of
 
Scotland is part of the UK. The UK voted to leave the EU. End of

Scotland will have another referendum and will vote to leave the union. Can't really blame them.
 
Scotland will have another referendum and will vote to leave the union. Can't really blame them.

The irony of gaining sovereignty only so you can give it away again.
 
Scotland is part of the UK. The UK voted to leave the EU. End of

Seems that Scotland may have a veto, this is being looked at.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-36635012

Does it mean Holyrood has a veto over Brexit?

This scenario is based upon an interpretation of the Scotland Act 1998, the statute which created (or, rather, recreated) the Scottish Parliament.

Clause 29 of that Act, anent legislative competence, empowers the Scottish Parliament to legislate in the devolved areas for which it is responsible - while obliging it to take care that nothing it does is "incompatible" with EU law.

In short, EU law has force in Scotland and, in devolved areas, is enacted and implemented by the Scottish Parliament, not Westminster.

That has led constitutional experts, such as Sir David Edward to suggest that the consent of the Scottish Parliament would be required were it to be suggested that the UK's relationship with the EU, in legislation and other areas, might be altered.
 
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Sjoe, what an interesting development.

If the Scots stymie a majority vote in England and Wales, it could cause all sorts of tensions. The UK would fly apart rather rapidly.
 
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Sjoe, what an interesting development.

If the Scots stymie a majority vote in England and Wales, it could cause all sorts of tensions. The UK would fly apart rather rapidly.

That's their endgame. Either way Sturgeon gets what she wants.
 
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