Agency and Intentionality in Nature

[Phronesis]

Lol, whenever you guys don't have something constructive to say you drag a discussion down to your level of trash talk. Seen it all before. Luckily your anti-science nonsense is there for all to see.

http://www.newscientist.com/article...t-a-hidden-religious-agenda.html?DCMP=OTC-rss (How to spot a religious Agenda) Ganna post this in all the dodgy phrony threads.

Enough said

 

[w1z4rd]

Lol, whenever you guys don't have something constructive to say you drag a discussion down to your level of trash talk. Seen it all before. Luckily your anti-science nonsense is there for all to see.


Enough said

Quoted for future generations.

 

[Phronesis]

Quoted for future generations.

Ah, the sign that your protestations are vacuous. Moving along .

 

[rwenzori]

Quoted for future generations.

LOL!

What is the chemical symbol for Irony?

 

[Phronesis]

Chimp's Stone Throwing At Zoo Visitors Was 'Premeditated'

ScienceDaily (Mar. 9, 2009) — Researchers have found what they say is some of the first unambiguous evidence that an animal other than humans can make spontaneous plans for future events. The report in the March 9th issue of Current Biology, a Cell Press publication, highlights a decade of observations in a zoo of a male chimpanzee calmly collecting stones and fashioning concrete discs that he would later use to hurl at zoo visitors.

Lol, nasty bugger.

 

[Geriatrix]

Chimp's Stone Throwing At Zoo Visitors Was 'Premeditated'

Lol, nasty bugger.

Hehehe , I don't blame him. Must get boring in a cage like that. And people say animals can't think.

 

[alloytoo]

Chimp's Stone Throwing At Zoo Visitors Was 'Premeditated'

Lol, nasty bugger.

"However, since intentionality is limited to humans,..."

I'm glad we've put this one to bed.

 

[rwenzori]

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=2607886&postcount=34

I'm glad we've put this one to bed.

The ill-defined TelePhronetic "intentionality" might be limited to humans, but what about "nana-intentionality" as exhibited by bananas; "front-loader-intentionality" as you find in caterpillars and komatsu-bugs; "flea-bitten intentionality" in domesticated mammals; "forkol-intentionality" in rocks and stones; etc.

Y'see, there are lots of OTHER intentionalities, that aren't intentionality per se, but are intentionality, actually, or maybe not, in fact one cannot reely be sure!

 

[alloytoo]

The ill-defined TelePhronetic "intentionality" might be limited to humans, but what about "nana-intentionality" as exhibited by bananas; "front-loader-intentionality" as you find in caterpillars and komatsu-bugs; "flea-bitten intentionality" in domesticated mammals; "forkol-intentionality" in rocks and stones; etc.

Y'see, there are lots of OTHER intentionalities, that aren't intentionality per se, but are intentionality, actually, or maybe not, in fact one cannot reely be sure!

I think I may just throw something at you.....Intentionally.......

Prhony seems almost pschizophrenic sometimes, posting an assertion, and later on posting something which rebuts his assertion. (or vice versa ). Complaining when people point out his grammer and spelling mistakes, and then doing the same with infantile glee.

One has to wonder....

 

[Phronesis]

Hehehe , I don't blame him. Must get boring in a cage like that. And people say animals can't think.

Crime of passion?
Monkey 'kills cruel owner with coconut thrown from tree'

 

[alloytoo]

Crime of passion?
Monkey 'kills cruel owner with coconut thrown from tree'

Couldn't be. You said intentionality is limited to humans.

"However, since intentionality is limited to humans,..."

 

[Phronesis]

Couldn't be. You said intentionality is limited to humans.

Mmm, I am ok if it is not. Ask rwenzori if he thinks it is. Where would you draw the line? Give a parameter.

 

[alloytoo]

Mmm, I am ok if it is not. Ask rwenzori if he thinks it is. Where would you draw the line? Give a parameter.

It's your assertion.

 

[Phronesis]

It's your assertion.

You did not answer the question.

 

[Geriatrix]

Crime of passion?
Monkey 'kills cruel owner with coconut thrown from tree'

I blame cruelty and maybe the amygdala.

 

[alloytoo]

You did not answer the question.

Somewhere above cellular level.

I would be cautious about limiting it to mammals too. It wouldn't surprize me if Crocodiles aren't capable of manupulating intentional objects

 

[alloytoo]

I blame cruelty and maybe the amygdala.

Lukes mum?

 

[Phronesis]

Somewhere above cellular level.

You give no reason why?
Why?

 

[alloytoo]

You give no reason why?

Because, as has be repeated pointed out to you, and which you are conveniently ignoring, cells on their own do not have brains capable of manipulating intention objects.

Why?

It seemed self evident in light of previous posts on this thread.

 

[Phronesis]

Because, as has be repeated pointed out to you, and which you are conveniently ignoring, cells on their own do not have brains capible of manipulateing intention objects.

"capible of manipulateing intention objects"??? Huh?
Is a brain a prerequisite for intentionality? Is that the parameter you are arbitrarily creating a limit for intentionality? No brain, no intentionality?
Why?


BTW, Mr rain maker spelling bee should have field day with you .