AI Generated / Assisted Music

DrJohnZoidberg said:
I really just see this stage of AI music as a novelty. I'm not sure why people would want to pay to listen to something that they could listen to and create for free.

I'm also suspect there will be a lot of legal issue cropping up and new laws put in place as I'm pretty sure that the training data for these models is not just a bunch of royalty free music. Big lawsuits against these startups is highly likely.

Where I can see AI music being really useful is a fully fledged tool for musicians to help compose and quickly iterate on things, the tools just aren't flexible enough quite yet.
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I'm not sure where the "pay to listen" idea comes into it. If someone publishes AI music to Spotify or whatever, people who already have a subscription and listen to traditional music, they might listen to it there if it's good enough.
As far as listening to your own AI generated music goes, okay, but typically people don't just consume their own "art", nor do they record themselves singing in the shower or anywhere else to listen to themselves. They listen to others because they want to experience other views, styles, and perhaps connect with others in that way.

AI is a tool - much like the existing tools that traditional artists in various disciplines use, which can help to bring some ideas to life - whether it be in the form of graphics, music, movies, creative writing, whatever - it can help you realise ideas in your head that you might not be able to do otherwise for whatever reason.

The Darkness said:
Absolutely, AI is a fad that will benefit artists in the long run - true artists. None of this 'music' I'm hearing these tools make is art. It's ML ideas scraped from who knows where and put through a statistical engine. The court cases are going to be huge, and will likely force these companies to reveal all of their sources for the machine 'learning' (actually plagiarism). Artists will win in the end - they don't need tools to iterate or compose - real artists have skills, learned through lifetimes.
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Art is subjective, and fads usually blow over. I don't think AI is going anywhere. Also, you get out what you put in. The "art" I might make could be worthless to you - but ask yourself why does anyone draw pictures, write poetry, make music, take photos - is it always an attempt to entertain others, make money, express themselves, or is there some other reason? Someone might have a particular skill such as creative writing, which is a very narrow niche whereby nobody else will really experience that's person's art form - but now when they apply it to a new avenue, like AI music generation - that makes it something new, gives it a new dimension and it can be shared with more people on multiple levels.
What makes that person a "true" artist? I never had the opportunity to play music and I can't sing to save my life, but I am not too bad at putting down thoughts and feelings --edit-- AND LYRICS -- on paper and then taking that and marrying it with AI music.

Personally, I'm not sure why I do it, but I get fulfillment out of it and if someone else out there enjoys what I do and thinks it's art, then ok. If they think it's not, then that's ok too.
 
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OnlyOneKenobi said:
Art is subjective, and fads usually blow over. I don't think AI is going anywhere. Also, you get out what you put in. The "art" I might make could be worthless to you - but ask yourself why does anyone draw pictures, write poetry, make music, take photos - is it always an attempt to entertain others, make money, express themselves, or is there some other reason? Someone might have a particular skill such as creative writing, which is a very narrow niche whereby nobody else will really experience that's person's art form - but now when they apply it to a new avenue, like AI music generation - that makes it something new, gives it a new dimension and it can be shared with more people on multiple levels.
What makes that person a "true" artist? I never had the opportunity to play music and I can't sing to save my life, but I am not too bad at putting down thoughts and feelings on paper and then taking that and marrying it with AI music.

Personally, I'm not sure why I do it, but I get fulfillment out of it and if someone else out there enjoys what I do and thinks it's art, then ok. If they think it's not, then that's ok too.
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Putting a few ideas down for a song, with lyrics created by chatgpt is not creative at all. It takes no skill (other than the plagiarised skills of the artists the ML was trained on), not that art needs to have skill as a basis for its inception. However, this music is not art. If you need to ask "what is art"? then you don't know. Even a platitude such as 'art is subjective' (???), anyway, each to their own.
 
Sensorei said:
Stolen from Adele. Same title and verse lyrics...

Lawsuit incoming.

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Actually it is Bob Dylan, Billy Joel and Garth Brooks

I like playing around with artists songs to see how it will come out. I have never claimed that it is my own work hahaha
 
MavChat said:
Actually it is Bob Dylan, Billy Joel and Garth Brooks

I like playing around with artists songs to see how it will come out. I have never claimed that it is my own work hahaha
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Nobody claimed it's your work. It's Suno's work.
 
The Darkness said:
Putting a few ideas down for a song, with lyrics created by chatgpt is not creative at all. It takes no skill (other than the plagiarised skills of the artists the ML was trained on), not that art needs to have skill as a basis for its inception. However, this music is not art. If you need to ask "what is art"? then you don't know. Even a platitude such as 'art is subjective' (???), anyway, each to their own.
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Why do you think everyone generates lyrics with ChatGPT?

Clearly you have a chip on your shoulder as far as AI is concerned. Don't let it cloud your judgement.
 
Sensorei said:
Nobody claimed it's your work. It's Suno's work.
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Fair enough. But it is all for the fun of it. Have you never done something just for the fun of it, like a hobby?

I do not understand your tone hostility about the whole AI music thing at all.
OnlyOneKenobi said:
Personally, I'm not sure why I do it, but I get fulfillment out of it and if someone else out there enjoys what I do and thinks it's art, then ok. If they think it's not, then that's ok too.
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I enjoy your creations immensely and have shared it with friends and family and they too have said it is good.
 
MavChat said:
I use ChatGPT to put down my idea and edit it according to what I want it to be. It is a useful tool if you are not the creative type.
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I don't have issues with that.

In my case if I want to make something meaningful, I write it myself. Writing is something I used to do a lot more when I was younger, but I gave up on it because it went nowhere. Now I can use the AI tools, give it another layer and have some kind of "voice".

From time to time, I'll use chat GPT for parodies, jokes or memes and even then, I'll refine and edit it quite heavily.
 
MavChat said:
I do not understand your tone hostility about the whole AI music thing at all.
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You're either very naive or completely oblivious to the general sentiment of using AI for "art" then :laugh:

I work in both the music and software development spaces so I really admire the technology these companies have built but I wouldn't call any of it art.
 
I share the sentiment in this video. AI is just a tool, for people to possibly make more interesting art. Watch from 12:07.

 
Sensorei said:
Nobody claimed it's your work. It's Suno's work.
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Court cases so far has concluded that the AI cannot own the work, so the ownership lies with (for now) you, the person who generated the result.

Now whether that is you the person using it or Suno the company who made the model hasn't really been decided yet.
 
DrJohnZoidberg said:
You're either very naive or completely oblivious to the general sentiment of using AI for "art" then :laugh:

I work in both the music and software development spaces so I really admire the technology these companies have built but I wouldn't call any of it art.
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Point another finger back at yourself :)

I work in indie game dev and the feeling there is much the same as what you express, BUT personally I've created some pieces that are amazing and much better than I can get an artist on a budget from e.g. Fiverr to create.

The same goes for prototype art for ideas etc.
 
animal531 said:
Point another finger back at yourself :)

I work in indie game dev and the feeling there is much the same as what you express, BUT personally I've created some pieces that are amazing and much better than I can get an artist on a budget from e.g. Fiverr to create.

The same goes for prototype art for ideas etc.
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You make a valid point and use-case here.It solves your problem therefore it's useful. Nobody is denying that. The issue is the 'training' of these models, the sources being used, as most of them are original and under copyright. All of this will come out in the wash via the tsunami of court cases on the way. I feel that AI has been sold to the people as this clever and sentient new 'mind', when the mechanics of what makes it work are not at all - without material to copy/plagiarise and 'learn' from it has nothing. We must not forget the value of true art, and what it means and takes to serve this cause.
 
The Darkness said:
Putting a few ideas down for a song, with lyrics created by chatgpt is not creative at all. It takes no skill (other than the plagiarised skills of the artists the ML was trained on), not that art needs to have skill as a basis for its inception. However, this music is not art. If you need to ask "what is art"? then you don't know. Even a platitude such as 'art is subjective' (???), anyway, each to their own.
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I find the exclusivity of being the first person to listen to a song of such scope, even if AI generated and "borrowing inspiration" so to speak, interesting.

It also has a kind of ongoing reward/novelty feel to it. While quickly meeting your expectations on a whim. EDIT: Or it's basically a fishing simulator, gambling on meeting your expectations at the click of a button.

Also, the "power" of having such creation at your fingertips for so little effort is alluring.

But it also fades pretty quick. I was soon back to listening to real music.

Although I was then beset with disappointment that YouTube music doesn't have a "truly random music within a genre finder". It's all algorithmic and choice suddenly felt lacking. I can't explain why, but I was just in the mood to be surprised/intrigued like AI was doing.

I suppose I will be bouncing between the two for a while.
 
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Bobbin said:
I find the exclusivity of being the first person to listen to a song of such scope, even if AI generated and "borrowing inspiration" so to speak, interesting.

It also has a kind of ongoing reward/novelty feel to it. While quickly meeting your expectations on a whim.

Also, the "power" of having such creation at your fingertips for so little effort is alluring.

But it also fades pretty quick. I was soon back to listening to real music.

Although I was then beset with disappointment that YouTube music doesn't have a "truly random music within a genre finder". It's all algorithmic and choice suddenly felt lacking. I can't explain why, but I was just in the mood to be surprised/intrigued like AI was doing.

I suppose I will be bouncing between the two for a while.
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My fiancé writes her own songs. Some come out great, others are terrible when she enters the keywords and have it automatically create lyrics. When she does her own lyrics they are not bad, but she is no songwriter haha
 
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