Aids Statistics for Durbs

[JHatman]

Hi guys, i was just having a discussion with my dad and we're both wondering what the current statistics are for HIV infections is in Durban. Have done a google but cannot find anything.

 

[charles's birthday card]

Around 40%.

 

[Pooky]

Around 40%.

Where did you get that from?

 

[charles's birthday card]

Where did you get that from?

Used to work with HIV wellness projects and that was the stat at the time. Can't provide a link so feel free to ignore that figure.

 

[Lord Anubis]

Probably around 80%

 

[Pooky]

Last I heard it was 98.333%

 

[blunomore]

Mr Blu often works with people in KZN and when they talk informally, he is shocked at the attitude of the local men.

They would e.g. refuse to condomise, regardless of the consequences and women get forced into unprotected sex because of these men's chauvinistic and uninformed attitudes.

 

[Pooky]

forced into unprotected sex because of these men's chauvinistic and uninformed attitudes.

You mean they get raped?

 

[isankey]

Don't try to pin that exclusively on the men, it's an attitude that's prevalent among men and women both, and in fairly equal measure in my experience.
And I say that from an informed background, given I'm in the healthcare industry in KZN, and in Durban in particular.

That does not however alter the fact that attitudes towards common sense precautions such as using condoms & avoiding unprotected sex with multiple concurrent sexual partners - or that there are in fact a large number of chauvanistic / mysoginistic men out there - are atrocious in this country, and particularly in KZN.
This would go a fair way towards explaining why life expectancy for men and women both is down to the mid 40's, and that our population growth has evidently plateauxed, and is about to start heading into the negatives.

 

[killadoob]

Well i do not think anybody can give you an accurate reading but i highly doubt 40% of durban has aids.

depends are you talking about the black population or the entire population? it is highly possible 40% of the black population but i still think that is very high, again i am not sure if bluno is talkin about whites indians or blacks.

I doubt they all act the same way in durban.

 

[Sackboy]

You mean they get raped?

Nah, it's probably coercion.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Mr Blu often works with people in KZN and when they talk informally, he is shocked at the attitude of the local men.

They would e.g. refuse to condomise, regardless of the consequences and women get forced into unprotected sex because of these men's chauvinistic and uninformed attitudes.

Part of that problem is African culture where the man is still looked up as the "owner" of the family and can do whatever he pleases. Also, consider polygamy (prevalent in Zulu culture), where one HIV/AIDS person can infect many.

 

[Pooky]

Nah, it's probably coercion.

Then technically they aren't forced to.

 

[blunomore]

Don't try to pin that exclusively on the men, it's an attitude that's prevalent among men and women both, and in fairly equal measure in my experience.
And I say that from an informed background, given I'm in the healthcare industry in KZN, and in Durban in particular.

That does not however alter the fact that attitudes towards common sense precautions such as using condoms & avoiding unprotected sex with multiple concurrent sexual partners - or that there are in fact a large number of chauvanistic / mysoginistic men out there - are atrocious in this country, and particularly in KZN.
This would go a fair way towards explaining why life expectancy for men and women both is down to the mid 40's, and that our population growth has evidently plateauxed, and is about to start heading into the negatives.

If you are/were in healthcare, you'd know for sure that men are definitely more promiscuous than women and also engage in unsafe sex much more than women.

It's not an attempt to insult men, it is merely a fact.

 

[isankey]

The typical benchmark used is women giving birth, and in urban areas it's pretty accurate as a fairly high percentage of women chose to either deliver in hospitals, or at the very least attend ante-natal clinics prior to delivery, which allows for a pretty good sample size.
Heading into the rural environment the number of women making use of medical infrastructure drops off so it's harder to track firm statistics, but along with the drop in standard of living and education I understand there's unfortunately a correspondant increase in infection rates.
This I have seen in northern Zululand, where large parts of the Makathini Flats, from say Hluhluwe north towards the Mozamibque & Swazi borders have significantly depopulated over the last 15-20 years or so.

That said, I can't give anything other than a reasonable guestimate of the infection rates for Durban, or the country as a whole so I won't bother to, but 40% is definately on the excessively high end of the bracket, other than in specific high risk demographics.

 

[isankey]

I am in healthcare still, and I maintain that the perception that men are by far the greater guilty party is wrong, at least in my experience. Men in general are more promiscuous and prone to high risk behaviour than women yes, I will not for one minute suggest that isn't the case. But not by the margins that people would like to believe, and particularly in the urban dwelling female under 40 demographic.

 

[Sackboy]

Then technically they aren't forced to.

technically, but if they are diirt poor and need taxi money or something they get bullied into things

 

[Sackboy]

I am in healthcare still, and I maintain that the perception that men are by far the greater guilty party is wrong, at least in my experience. Men in general are more promiscuous and prone to high risk behaviour than women yes, I will not for one minute suggest that isn't the case. But not by the margins that people would like to believe, and particularly in the urban dwelling female under 40 demographic.

I used to think that way but changed my mind. Women just don't brag about it.

 

[isankey]

Coercion (co-er-shion) is the practice of compelling a person or manipulating them to behave in an involuntary way (whether through action or inaction) by use of threats, intimidation or some other form of pressure or force. These are used as leverage, to force the victim to act in the desired way. Coercion may involve the actual infliction of physical pain/injury or psychological harm in order to enhance the credibility of a threat. The threat of further harm may then lead to the cooperation or obedience of the person being coerced. Torture is one of the most extreme examples of coercion i.e. severe pain is inflicted on victims until they give interrogators the desired information.

The term is often associated with circumstances which involve the unethical use of threats or harm to achieve some objective. Coercion may also serve as a form of justification for a conclusion in a logical fallacy or non-logical argument.

Coercion may also refer to more subtle means of influence such as sweet talking, begging, charming, and seduction.

Wikipedia, 2009.

That doesn't sound too far from rape now, does it?

 

[smokey]

I have a doctor friend from Gauteng. Works in a public hospital (ie: 99% poor township blacks who cant afford decent food, let alone the exorbitant medical fees these days) and he told me he is not allowed to report deaths that are caused by HIV (someone dying from a curable illness that "mysteriously" kept getting progessively worse). He was nearly fired for recommending someone to get themselves check for AIDS because they raised such a stink about it to management. So anyway - he reckons 40% is low for the black population (at least in and around Jozi)...