Aliens cause global warming

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It was a time of widespread fear and uncertainty, but even as a child I believed that science represented the best and greatest hope for mankind. Even to a child, the contrast was clear between the world of politics—a world of hate and danger, of irrational beliefs and fears, of mass manipulation and disgraceful blots on human history. In contrast, science held different values—international in scope, forging friendships and working relationships across national boundaries and political systems, encouraging a dispassionate habit of thought, and ultimately leading to fresh knowledge and technology that would benefit all mankind. The world might not be a very good place, but science would make it better. And it did. In my lifetime, science has largely fulfilled its promise. Science has been the great intellectual adventure of our age, and a great hope for our troubled and restless world.

But I did not expect science merely to extend lifespan, feed the hungry, cure disease, and shrink the world with jets and cell phones. I also expected science to banish the evils of human thought—prejudice and superstition, irrational beliefs and false fears. I expected science to be, in Carl Sagan's memorable phrase, "a candle in a demon haunted world." And here, I am not so pleased with the impact of science. Rather than serving as a cleansing force, science has in some instances been seduced by the more ancient lures of politics and publicity. Some of the demons that haunt our world in recent years are invented by scientists. The world has not benefited from permitting these demons to escape free.

But let's look at how it came to pass.

Cast your minds back to 1960. John F. Kennedy is president, commercial jet airplanes are just appearing, the biggest university mainframes have 12K of memory. And in Green Bank, West Virginia at the new National Radio Astronomy Observatory, a young astrophysicist named Frank Drake runs a two week project called Ozma, to search for extraterrestrial signals. A signal is received, to great excitement. It turns out to be false, but the excitement remains. In 1960, Drake organizes the first SETI conference, and came up with the now-famous Drake equation:

N = N* fp ne fl fi fc fL

Where N* is the number of stars in the Milky Way galaxy; fp is the fraction with planets; ne is the number of planets per star capable of supporting life; fl is the fraction of planets where life evolves; fi is the fraction where intelligent life evolves; and fc is the fraction that communicates; and fL is the fraction of the planet's life during which the communicating civilizations live.

This serious-looking equation gave SETI a serious footing as a legitimate intellectual inquiry. The problem, of course, is that none of the terms can be known, and most cannot even be estimated. The only way to work the equation is to fill in with guesses. And guesses—just so we're clear—are merely expressions of prejudice. Nor can there be "informed guesses." If you need to state how many planets with life choose to communicate, there is simply no way to make an informed guess. It's simply prejudice.

As a result, the Drake equation can have any value from "billions and billions" to zero. An expression that can mean anything means nothing. Speaking precisely, the Drake equation is literally meaningless, and has nothing to do with science. I take the hard view that science involves the creation of testable hypotheses. The Drake equation cannot be tested and therefore SETI is not science. SETI is unquestionably a religion. Faith is defined as the firm belief in something for which there is no proof. The belief that the Koran is the word of God is a matter of faith. The belief that God created the universe in seven days is a matter of faith. The belief that there are other life forms in the universe is a matter of faith. There is not a single shred of evidence for any other life forms, and in forty years of searching, none has been discovered. There is absolutely no evidentiary reason to maintain this belief. SETI is a religion.

One way to chart the cooling of enthusiasm is to review popular works on the subject. In 1964, at the height of SETI enthusiasm, Walter Sullivan of the NY Times wrote an exciting book about life in the universe entitled WE ARE NOT ALONE. By 1995, when Paul Davis wrote a book on the same subject, he titled it ARE WE ALONE? (Since 1981, there have in fact been four books titled ARE WE ALONE.) More recently we have seen the rise of the so-called "Rare Earth" theory which suggests that we may, in fact, be all alone. Again, there is no evidence either way.

Back in the sixties, SETI had its critics, although not among astrophysicists and astronomers. The biologists and paleontologists were harshest. George Gaylord Simpson of Harvard sneered that SETI was a "study without a subject," and it remains so to the present day.

But scientists in general have been indulgent toward SETI, viewing it either with bemused tolerance, or with indifference. After all, what's the big deal? It's kind of fun. If people want to look, let them. Only a curmudgeon would speak harshly of SETI. It wasn't worth the bother.

And of course it is true that untestable theories may have heuristic value. Of course extraterrestrials are a good way to teach science to kids. But that does not relieve us of the obligation to see the Drake equation clearly for what it is—pure speculation in quasi-scientific trappings.

The fact that the Drake equation was not greeted with screams of outrage—similar to the screams of outrage that greet each Creationist new claim, for example—meant that now there was a crack in the door, a loosening of the definition of what constituted legitimate scientific procedure. And soon enough, pernicious garbage began to squeeze through the cracks
More here : https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~scranmer/SPD/crichton.html

Despite some cursory mentions I don't agree with, it's a superb and thought provoking piece, albeit one huge wall of text. Science bent to political and policy, even good policy purposes can get quite laughable.

Also reminded me why I am of the opinion that Carl Sagan was one of the biggest quacks to ever walk this earth.
 
Found it on the link. And by Michael Crichton nogal.

My topic today sounds humorous but unfortunately I am serious. I am going to argue that extraterrestrials lie behind global warming. Or to speak more precisely, I will argue that a belief in extraterrestrials has paved the way, in a progression of steps, to a belief in global warming.

Charting this progression of belief will be my task today.

Let me say at once that I have no desire to discourage anyone from believing in either extraterrestrials or global warming. That would be quite impossible to do. Rather, I want to discuss the history of several widely-publicized beliefs and to point to what I consider an emerging crisis in the whole enterprise of science—namely the increasingly uneasy relationship between hard science and public policy.


I guess this is why I don't have an interest in authors' other activities.
 
Is that all you could find in the Google results ? I hardly ever bother going further than the 1st page.

Could you google anything about all the other things that he says ?

Which part , that seti is a religion? Dictionary definition of religion says thats nonsense. Secondly if the author did some research on the drake equation he would have found out its intended purpose was never to be Scientific, but in fact to encourage discussion on the topic.

P.S : Why in the f*#* is this in the science section.
 
Is that all you could find in the Google results ? I hardly ever bother going further than the 1st page.

Could you google anything about all the other things that he says ?

He misunderstands how the science of climate study works, and misrepresents the application of climate modelling, and you think anything else he might have had to say in a talk on CLIMATE SCIENCE is worth investigating? No wonder you subscribe to the ludicrous ideas you do.

Oh and you wouldn't go to sci fi writers for climate science, but you would go to a comedian for philosophy and principles ?

Whatever makes you happy man.

No, Skippy. The comedian that so wittily describes folk like you is no more the source of those philosophies and principles than what Jesus was the source of the golden rule.
 
Wtf is the global warming part?

Yea besides if aliens are controlling global warming they are failing horrible this year. 2013 must surely be the coolest year in the last decade or so, they said 2013 onwards we could be looking at a new ice age, so maybe the aliens have fooled us, telling us lies about man made global warming when it's actually alien created ice age.
 
In 1990, climate modelers anticipated a world population of 11 billion by 2100. Today, some people think the correct number will be 7 billion and falling. But nobody knows for sure.

Heh, hit 7 billion already.

I love Crichton and Sagan, that's all I have to say.
 
Yea besides if aliens are controlling global warming they are failing horrible this year. 2013 must surely be the coolest year in the last decade or so, they said 2013 onwards we could be looking at a new ice age, so maybe the aliens have fooled us, telling us lies about man made global warming when it's actually alien created ice age.

Isnt it lovely that science doesn't operate on "must surely be".
 
Which part , that seti is a religion? Dictionary definition of religion says thats nonsense. Secondly if the author did some research on the drake equation he would have found out its intended purpose was never to be Scientific, but in fact to encourage discussion on the topic.

P.S : Why in the f*#* is this in the science section.

It's mybb. Natural Sciences is a sub section of off topic, after all. Any *** goes :)

There is even a post about a dog pissing on his owners leg....
 
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