An extra public holiday looming

But they're trying to push it onto the Thursday iirc. We usually have a Public holiday on a saturday or something of that nature which of course most people never get to use as a Public holiday because its the weekend.
 
Who decides when we have Easter? Sometimes it's in mid April, late March, mid March, why can't we have it on the same day every year - like Christmas, duh ?

Anybody have an answer to this question?
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But they're trying to push it onto the Thursday iirc. We usually have a Public holiday on a saturday or something of that nature which of course most people never get to use as a Public holiday because its the weekend.

That would be awesome.
 
Anybody have an answer to this question?
("Who decides...")

It's a religious thing - it's meant to coincide with the anniversary of the crucifixion, and it happens on the 3rd weekend in March, or the 16th weekend in the year, or something like that (those figures are made up, btw) so that's why it's not on a fixed date.

[Edit] And while my code's compiling, here's what wikipedia has to say:

Easter is termed a moveable feast because it is not fixed in relation to the civil calendar. Easter falls at some point between late March and late April each year (early April to early May in Eastern Christianity), following the cycle of the moon.

Originally it was decided:

# that Easter must be celebrated by all throughout the world on the same Sunday;
# that this Sunday must follow the fourteenth day of the paschal moon;
# that the moon was to be accounted the paschal moon whose fourteenth day followed the vernal equinox;

And interestingly:

In the Western Church, Easter has not fallen on the earliest of the 35 possible dates, March 22, since 1818, and will not do so again until 2285. It will, however, fall on March 23 in 2008, but will not do so again until 2160. Easter last fell on the latest possible date, April 25, in 1943 and will next fall on that date in 2038. However, it will fall on April 24, just one day before this latest possible date, in 2011.

The cycle of Easter dates repeats after exactly 5,700,000 years, with April 19 being the most common date, happening 220,400 times, or 3.9% compared to a mean for all dates of 162,857 times, or 2.9%.
 
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http://christianity.about.com/od/faqhelpdesk/qt/whyeasterchange.htm Not quite sure if that fully explains who decides but seems to be the common explanation.

Why does the date for Easter change every year? Have you ever wondered why Easter Sunday can fall anywhere between March 22 and April 25? And why do Eastern Orthodox churches celebrate Easter on a different day than Western churches? These are all good questions with answers that require a bit of explanation.

In Western Christianity, Easter is always celebrated on the Sunday immediately following the Paschal Full Moon date of the year. I had previously, and somewhat erroneously stated, "Easter is always celebrated on the Sunday immediately following the first full moon after the vernal (spring) equinox." This statement was true in 325 AD, when it was established by the Council of Nicea.
However, the course of history has modified the meaning of this instruction, and therefore, a clearer, more accurate explanation is necessary today.

There are, in fact, as many misunderstanding about the calculation of Easter dates, as there are reasons for confusion about Easter dates. What follows is an attempt to clear up at least some of the confusion.

In actuality, the date of the Paschal Full Moon is determined from historical tables, and has no correspondence to lunar events. In the year 325 AD astronomers approximated the dates of all the full moons in the year for the Western Christian churches. These were called the Ecclesiastical Full Moon dates, and they have been used ever since 326 AD to determine the date of Easter. So, the Paschal Full Moon is always the first Ecclesiastical Full Moon date after March 20 (which happened to be the vernal equinox date in 325 AD).

The Paschal Full Moon can vary as much as two days from the date of the actual full moon, with dates ranging from March 21 to April 18. As a result, Easter dates can range from March 22 through April 25 in Western Christianity.

Western churches use the Gregorian Calendar to calculate the date of Easter and Eastern Orthodox churches use the Julian Calendar. This is partly why the dates are rarely the same.

Easter and its related holidays do not fall on a fixed date in either the Gregorian or Julian calendars, making them moveable holidays. The dates, instead, are based on a lunar calendar very similar to the Hebrew Calendar.

The Eastern Orthodox Church not only maintains the date of Easter based on the Julian Calendar which was in use during the First Ecumenical Council of Nicea in 325 AD, but also according to the actual, astronomical full moon and the actual vernal equinox as observed along the meridian of Jerusalem. This complicates the matter, due to the inaccuracy of the Julian calendar, and the 13 days that have accrued since 325 AD. This means, in order to stay in line with the originally established (325 AD) vernal equinox, Orthodox Easter cannot be celebrated before April 3 (present day Gregorian calendar), which was March 21 in 325 AD.

Additionally, in keeping with the rule established by the First Ecumenical Council of Nicea, the Eastern Orthodox Church adhered to the tradition that Easter must always fall after the Jewish Passover, since the death, burial and Resurrection of Christ happened after the celebration of Passover. Eventually the Orthodox Church came up with an alternative to calculating Easter based on Passover, and developed a 19-year cycle, as opposed to the Western Church 84-year cycle.

Computations

Main article: Computus

The calculations for the date of Easter are somewhat complicated. In the Western Church, Easter has not fallen on the earliest of the 35 possible dates, March 22, since 1818, and will not do so again until 2285. It will, however, fall on March 23 in 2008, but will not do so again until 2160. Easter last fell on the latest possible date, April 25, in 1943 and will next fall on that date in 2038. However, it will fall on April 24, just one day before this latest possible date, in 2011.

The cycle of Easter dates repeats after exactly 5,700,000 years, with April 19 being the most common date, happening 220,400 times, or 3.9% compared to a mean for all dates of 162,857 times, or 2.9%.
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter I thought it was a interesting random fact.

If only we where like the UK where public holidays that fall on Saturdays are given the following monday or tuesday if the sunday was a holiday too.
 
Let's get this straight...a public holiday is not a right - it's a priviledge. It is, if you actually put your brain into action, a celebration and/or day to remember or celebrate a certain event. I think we're lucky that it's even a day off, rather than just a celebration.

The fact that ZA already stipulates a MON proceeding a public holiday off is absurd. What for? ...because you're too drunk and foolish to stop the night before?

Imo, the unions bugging the president for another day are selfish, ignorant, and clueless.

It's not a man-made issue. The ZA calendar collided with itself.

Considering the current HUGE economic crisis in ZA, I would hope the president tells the workforce to get the F' back to work.

I for one have no issue with working the day. The clueless slacker masses want money for nothing. My opinion.

...and one other thing, one of the days clashing, is, and forgive my ignorance of religion here, Good Friday...a Christian day. Now, considering that a LARGE number of the workers in ZA are NOT Christian, wtF does that even give you the day off?

Strange that ALL get the Christian holidays off, yet we don't get Jewish/Muslim/etc. days off. Food for thought.
 
its not another public holiday

both holidays fall on the same day

so they splitting the 2 public holidays

i dont get why u okes are thinking its another public holiday
 
killadoob : i get that, its just that they seem to be pushing to move it onto a work day, when that just isn't sensible.. We as a country have amongst the highest number of public holidays in the world... costs the economy a huge amount.
 
yea but it would have been a work day anyhow

so it does not make a difference

personally i dont like all these public holidays they make me lazy hahaha
 
er , we got enough holidays'

South African's should stop being lazy and moan all the time.
More production, better economy
 
"Strange that ALL get the Christian holidays off, yet we don't get Jewish/Muslim/etc. days off. Food for thought."

Agreed, its such bs..

If you are not religious you should get to pick which religious holidays you want. Once you make your choice its done. You cant be muslim and take off christian holidays. fk that.
 
The 18th of July is Nelson Mandela's 90th - that can be the holiday - it is a Friday - thank goodness for Dragons - now who is going to tell the powers that be
 
"Strange that ALL get the Christian holidays off, yet we don't get Jewish/Muslim/etc. days off. Food for thought."

Agreed, its such bs..

If you are not religious you should get to pick which religious holidays you want. Once you make your choice its done. You cant be muslim and take off christian holidays. fk that.

I hear what you're saying, but the reason for that is because the majority of people are Christian and so if we give them off, there will be few Muslim people at work and work obviously cannot really be productive with 50 people when the other 500 are at home. That's why everyone is given off and that is exactly why Christian's don't get Muslim holidays - cos a small number of Muslims will celebrate their own holidays but most of the Christian people will still be at work. Hope that makes sense. But to make everything fair, they should rather then just give everyone the days off or only get the days if you belong to that certain religion.
 
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"Strange that ALL get the Christian holidays off, yet we don't get Jewish/Muslim/etc. days off. Food for thought."

Agreed, its such bs..

If you are not religious you should get to pick which religious holidays you want. Once you make your choice its done. You cant be muslim and take off christian holidays. fk that.

What nonsense.
If I want to take off Yom Kippur, I need to put in leave. I don't "get it off".
 
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