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If govt was hiding or twisting crime stats, why do they still have the murder rate at eighteen thousand per annum

2005 crime stats

One would think they would doctor it so it looks like it's alot less, guess they're not lying

Also how do we know the UK and US are not doctoring their stats, we all know how they doctored evidence about Iraq

BTW - gun crime in the UK and Wales has been steadily increasing
 
supersunbird said:
Who said they were doing that?

The moratorium is on releasing it for cities and suburbs...
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According to the

Security Access Restrictions


For permitting access restrictions and road closures to create security controlled areas in residential neighbourhoods and business areas in accordance with the Gauteng Rationalisation of Local Government

Affairs Act No. 10, 1998, Chapter 7
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Local Police stations should provide you with a breakdown of crime in the area, or at the very least be able to verify crime stats you bring to them
 
I know for a fact that Honeydew police station is very willing to hand over crime stats when requested.

I have no knowledge on any other police stations however and I am pretty sure the really busy ones will tell you to take a hike...
 
I recently saw a big breakdown of all the crimes in every suburb in Cape Town.

From stats SA I think, but the police/government must be providing this.

Why do you think that they are keeping it from people, have you ever ask to see stats like that before?
 
While we are being honest :D

Why is it that the only province (WP) controlled by the DA seems to have rampant crime?

I have not been to the WP for years so I have no idea what it is like but I thought (until a few minutes ago) that it was one of the safest provinces??

It makes me think twice about voting for them again, there biggest election pledge was to fight crime and they are doing the worst....

Any thoughts, am I reading this wrong?
 
Well, the DA doesnt control the Western Cape (just Cape Town) and also doesn't control the police, its a national thing. So not much they can do...
 
Some crime stats may not be very accurate, like rape, because it goes under reported. But even while going under reported South Africa's rape figures are pretty severe.

However, stats on murder is generally quite accurate for the cities. Bodies don't disappear and is accounted for. Even more accurate is reporting on robberies and theft, since people need to make these for unsurance claims.

In any case, at these numbers there are often a number errors in reporting. But even with errors due to misreporting or rural communities who won't report some murders because of some tradition where the murderer is allowed to live if he takes over supporting the victim's wife and children, it doesn't affect the overall percentages by much.

Our crime stats is something that we can rely on to measure whether new police action is making a difference or not. It shows that even while it's frustrating and still relatively high, it's improving quickly.
 
GavinMannion said:
While we are being honest :D

Why is it that the only province (WP) controlled by the DA seems to have rampant crime?

I have not been to the WP for years so I have no idea what it is like but I thought (until a few minutes ago) that it was one of the safest provinces??

It makes me think twice about voting for them again, there biggest election pledge was to fight crime and they are doing the worst....

Any thoughts, am I reading this wrong?
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Get real! The DA has only recently been voted in to the council. Do you expect them to wave a magic wand? They first have to cope with all the cronyism & corruption from the previous municipality. They have just started to look at what the Metro Police have been up to - I believe they have some authority over those lazy-asses.:p
 
kokey said:
However, stats on murder is generally quite accurate for the cities. Bodies don't disappear and is accounted for. Even more accurate is reporting on robberies and theft, since people need to make these for unsurance claims.
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I have addressed this before. Unless an investigation takes place, a murder victim is only counted towards murder when there is clear evidence that it was a murder. However, often the police may not actually investigate the matter, in which case it is categorised as either a suicide or death by natural causes. So, while you would think that every case is investigated thoroughly, this is not the case. Investigations are only instigated when: a murder case has been opened (they are certainly not opened every time) or when charges have been pressed by a member of the public (like family members of the victim for example). My point is that there is a margin of under reporting of murders - particulary in departments that are very stretched.

This would obviously improve with better trained police and more police members. Finally, there is a massive under reporting of robberies, as many robberies are not reported. Many people are not necessarily insured, or the items stollen is not worth the extremely tedious process of going through police statements/insurance claims. Also, often you victims are not aware that they were robbed. All of these cases people would not report it.
 
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Skeptik said:
Get real! The DA has only recently been voted in to the council. Do you expect them to wave a magic wand? They first have to cope with all the cronyism & corruption from the previous municipality. They have just started to look at what the Metro Police have been up to - I believe they have some authority over those lazy-asses.:p
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Somebody else actually pointed out they only control CT, if this is true then fine.

The DA however have always been a major player in CT and I still think it shows badly on them that they have such a high crime rate down there.

Excuses are not accepted.

The DA needs to put up or shut up....
 
GavinMannion said:
Somebody else actually pointed out they only control CT, if this is true then fine.

The DA however have always been a major player in CT and I still think it shows badly on them that they have such a high crime rate down there.

Excuses are not accepted.

The DA needs to put up or shut up....
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at last - someone else we can blame for crime! just wait until everyone hears about this!

:rolleyes:
 
Yep indeedy, someone else to blame...

*shudder* this Mannion chop is running around near where I live and work (honeydew)... fark I will need to be more careful....sweet jayzus. But then again he probably lives nice and cozy in Eagle Canyon, hence the rose-coloured-glasses and total denial about the real problems us normal folk face in SA: we have to worry about being hijacked outside the complex or being relieved of our household contents or being murdered for our cellphones.
 
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Excuses are not accepted.

The DA needs to put up or shut up....
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I really wish we could have a good laugh - what a joke - DA has been in power 6 months or so - but now - "excuses are not accepted" - and "put up or shut up" - seriously delusional. :( What a farce - while people get boiled and babies get raped and murdered.

:mad:

(what then do you think we think of the overall fiasco??!)
 
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xtermin8or said:
If govt was hiding or twisting crime stats, why do they still have the murder rate at eighteen thousand per annum

2005 crime stats

One would think they would doctor it so it looks like it's alot less, guess they're not lying

Also how do we know the UK and US are not doctoring their stats, we all know how they doctored evidence about Iraq

BTW - gun crime in the UK and Wales has been steadily increasing
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Most probably the actual murder rate is 36 000 per annum. So it in fact is looking a lot less.
 
"According to the latest South African Police Service statistics, in Gauteng every day an average of 10 people are murdered, 19 hijacked, 33 raped, 153 robbed (with aggravating circumstances) and 205 homes burgled."
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20060712004059988C812841

Rapes per capita by country
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-
capita
#1 South Africa 1.19538 per 1,000 people
#2 Seychelles 0.788294 per 1,000 people
http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Rapes_(per_1000_people)_by_country_-
_Lowest_and_Highest

According to the SA Law Commission’s report, the percentage of cases reported resulting in convictions is as follows:
Murder: 10.6%
Rape 6.6%
Robbery with aggravating circumstances 3%.
http://www.iss.co.za/CJM/pdf/salcrep.pdf

The problem lays higher up that local municipals, the policies implemented by the goverment is disarming law-abiding vicims and protecting the criminals. And if the jails are full, or they start to complain, the Goverment let another lot out.
 
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