ANCYL trashes toilets

BBSA said:
It is one thing to understand that but is is another thing to do something about it. Learn them to take responsibility for their own lives will actually help them. I can promise you they will feel much better about themselves once they have done that.
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Easier said than done as a previously advantaged person commenting from your armchair at your pc.
 
capd said:
Easier said than done as a previously advantaged person commenting from your armchair at your pc.
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Are you saying that violence and destruction of property is acceptable because of apartheid? That they are excused from ever wanting to improve their lives because of apartheid?

Millions of people around the world live in poverty, but only the ANCYL is disgusting enough to p!ss away resources that could help the poor like they do. I'll bet the ANCYL members who destroyed those enclosures dont even live there.
 
killadoob said:
There is no doubt apartheid will still have an effect, no one is denying that. What we are saying is the government is wasting billions of rands on BS like cars, arms, tenders. That could be used towards education and helping the poor with housing, toilets etc.
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There are people saying that. I am also saying that government is wasting billions and squandering money which should be for the poor.

You sad the black folk in this country are better off than they were under the old government and while that is very true for a minority the majority are no better off. I think they may be worse off with 5 million zims taking their jobs.
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A black minority has experienced a huge improvement in financial wealth due to misimplementation of AA/BEE etc. However the black/majority who were previously not given services because of their race has experienced a huge improvement as now all races have access to services. Saying that people have better lives does not limit the improvement to financial gain only. I'm talking improvement of life that comes with houses, water and electricity, improvement in transport etc.

Once again as i have pointed out they will vote ANC every election even though they live very poor conditions, people keeping blaming apartheid which puzzles me. It has been 2 decades and if anything the poor are still getting Fed badly. Their government is doing sweet F all to help and the only answer is apartheid is the reason we are corrupt.
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I cannot speak for them but as I've said I would think they continue to vote ANC because they think they'll be fuscked either way. So better the devil they know.

Go look all over africa, go look at poverty and come tell me why majority of africa live in poverty? Corrupt government. So don't come with the BS that the poor are better off under the black government. Just because they are free to move and do what they like does not mean they are not dirt poor with no real chance of making anything for themselves or their children. If anything it must be harder for them to see their own kind treat them as badly as the racist white man did.
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But they are better off now then they were. Houses, water, electricity, services, rights, movement.

Another point you should digest is South Africa's wealth, and the fact that we have world class rich cities. "Other" African poverty-stricken countries are quite different.

Capd read this, it will enlighten you a bit i think, very good article on the topic and hits the nail on the head.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8215083.stm

You are fighting a good fight i reckon but your thinking tends to lean towards blame and not cause.
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Kay, thanks, will read now now but as you can see I must continue responding to others.
 
BBSA said:
Nobody said it will be easy but it does not mean we should not try and just give them free handouts which at the end of the day helps nobody.
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They didn't say it would be easier but the fact is that it is much harder being black and previously disadvantaged.
 
capd said:
Easier said than done as a previously advantaged person commenting from your armchair at your pc.
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And with their attitudes and downright laziness, they will remain disadvantaged perpetual strugglers indefinitely, like most of Africa, if not all of Africa.

Now let me continue relaxing in my armchair as a previously and currently advantaged person, which took hard work, and continues to take hard work to maintain.
 
Ancalagon said:
Are you saying that violence and destruction of property is acceptable because of apartheid? That they are excused from ever wanting to improve their lives because of apartheid?
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No I'm not Violence and destruction is never acceptable. That said it is often a last and only resort. Like for the poor whose voices are almost always neglected.

I am saying that it is easier for a previously advantaged white to patronise a previously disadvantaged black and put their shortcomings down to a lack of effort.
 
capd said:
They didn't say it would be easier but the fact is that it is much harder being black and previously disadvantaged.
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When this country goes down the zim route will you still blame the white government for it?

We are not putting the poor down we understand their plight but they are voting for the anc so they must understand their plight will stay the same for as long as the anc is stealing all the money.

Rich minority is no good for poor. If i work for company but another company says they will offer me something better, do i take a leap of faith that won't screw me as bad as i have been screwed or do i stay and get screwed? You take a chance, the world has changed their mentality has not. A few million never voted to teach the anc a lesson bwhahahahahahahahaha what a bunch of idiots
 
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Oh... so they want a concrete toilet covering ? Just not concrete covering their tin shacks ? :wtf:

...sure the ANC will build all concrete houses... anytime now 16yrs into democracy :whistle:
 
BBSA said:
Nobody said it will be easy but it does not mean we should not try and just give them free handouts which at the end of the day helps nobody.
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You not talking about those free yellow t-shirts and food packages we paid for that the ANC scumbags used to buy votes - I cant believe that there's that many doff people, but we only have to look north and see that they too voted for mad Bob Mugarbage just because he was seen to be showing the evil white colonialists the middle finger.
 
Mentality of the people in africa, they have no clue. They seem happy getting shafted and do nothing to stop it.
 
Frankie said:
And with their attitudes and downright laziness, they will remain disadvantaged perpetual strugglers indefinitely, like most of Africa, if not all of Africa.

Now let me continue relaxing in my armchair as a previously and currently advantaged person, which took hard work, and continues to take hard work to maintain.
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You/your family are lucky to have not limited to being maids, gardeners, manual labourers and KFC employees, and lucky that the door was unjustly opened for you to higher paying jobs and qualifications.

Would the world have been your oyster if they weren't as lucky?
 
Wait so only blacks work in those sectors? It is a god damn job dude. This is exactly my point, always want more.

when i was younger i worked for mr delivery and when i was even young me and buddie walked from house to house asking if they want their cash washed. So please stop acting like whitey's have amazing high paying jobs. I can tell you i have a few struggling to find work and they are waitering for the moment and if things don't pick up for our company might happen to me as well.

You think i am going to stand a robot and beg? No i work day and night finding a job, any bloody job that pays bills.

Not mention most them are bloody lazy and useless, go a garage offer them 50 bucks for a days work i can bet you SA's will turn you down a zimbabwean will get in your car and will get paid 120 bucks. SA's are lazy and want 150 rand a day and they work slow.
 
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killadoob said:
When this country goes down the zim route will you still blame the white government for it?
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Don't know what the relevance of this is. SA will not become like that. But I'll pretend. I will only blame them for handing over power if its true that there was no escaping going the Zim route since the start of the new SA - if reconciliation was doomed from the start. But again that is a dream as SA was forced to end Apartheid by the world.
 
BBSA said:
You totaly missing the point.

We must teach them to take responsibility for their own lives.
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And you are missing the point that as a poor previously disadvantaged black it is harder to take responsibility, and to learn to not eat from hand to mouth, and to do everything that you are preaching.
 
capd said:
You/your family are lucky to have not limited to being maids, gardeners, manual labourers and KFC employees, and lucky that the door was unjustly opened for you to higher paying jobs and qualifications.

Would the world have been your oyster if they weren't as lucky?
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what is your point?

do you try to tell us "everyone is equal"?
from day 1 you were born to this world you are classified already. You complain about that?

who you have to blame? => your father and mother. Why they did not work hard when they were young. You may blame apartheid, but can your son(s) ask you, "father, why you did not work hard when you were young?"

The question is, why asian people could make money during apartheid but not your father(s) and mother(s)?
 
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