And so it continues....

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Wonder if victims of the "Struggles" violence will be able to claim from companies/countries that supported the struggle?
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2499072,00.html
New York - A US judge ruled on Wednesday that lawsuits seeking monetary damages can continue against five large companies accused of aiding South Africa's former apartheid system.

But US District Judge Shira Scheindlin also dismissed claims against banks UBS AG and Barclays Bank Plc and electronics maker Fujitsu Ltd.

"Corporate defendants accused of merely doing business with the apartheid government of South Africa have been dismissed," Scheindlin said in her ruling.

The judge allowed at least some claims made by tens of thousands of South African plaintiffs in two lawsuits in US federal court to proceed against automakers General Motors Corp, Ford Motor Co and Daimler AG as well as International Business Machines and Rheinmetall AG.

The plaintiffs are seeking unspecified monetary damages against companies that they say helped support South Africa's former apartheid government.

Decision hailed

The decision was hailed as a victory by attorneys for the plaintiffs. Their lawsuits accuse the companies of aiding and abetting the apartheid system, torture and extrajudicial killings.

The lawsuits argue that the automakers knew their vehicles were being used by South African forces to violently suppress protesters. They also argue that IBM and Fujitsu knew their computers were being used by South Africa's white minority government to help strip black citizens of their rights.

Scheindlin disagreed with arguments made by the companies such as IBM's contention that it was not the company's place to tell clients how to use its products.

"That level of wilful blindness in the face of crimes in violation of the law of nations cannot defeat an otherwise clear showing of knowledge that the assistance IBM provided would directly and substantially support apartheid," she said.

The US and South African governments supported the companies' efforts to get the complaints dismissed, as did Germany, Switzerland, Canada and Britain. Supporters of the lawsuits included Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu, a recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize.

More than 50 major corporations were initially sued in 2002, but the complaints were amended last year with fewer companies targeted.

Lawyers for the companies did not immediately return calls seeking comment.

- Reuters
 
ps: Apply this logic to Tobacco companies, and the class actions against them....... Defies logic, I think the above case has set a very scary precedent.

BTW I'm a smoker so will be seeking compensation soon :D
 
Since everyone is succeeding with lawsuits: I am still supposed to launch my claim against *someone* in France for my little piece of farmland in Provence after my ancestors, the French Huguenots, were persecuted by the Catholics and forced to flee to SA :D
 
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Since everyone is succeeding with lawsuits: I am still supposed to launch my claim against *someone* in France for my little piece of farmland in Provence after my ancestors, the French Huguenots, were persucuted by the Catholics and forced to flee to SA :D

Hey maybe we'll be neighbours :D
 
That's ok was going to grow wacky baccy anyway :D

Wonder if Zimbabweans will sue companies that supported Mugabe? Or even worse, will they sue the Brits for allowing Mugabe to take over?
Where does it stop really is my question...
 
Wonder if Zimbabweans will sue companies that supported Mugabe?

hehe...the question is which companies would those be? Paper mills, perhaps? :p

The only thing supporting Mugabe are governments...ours in particular. :mad:
 
General Motors Corp, Ford Motor Co and Daimler AG as well as International Business Machines and Rheinmetall AG.

I'm wondering whether they actually realise the significance of suing these companies...... 3 big automotive companies and a German (I'm assuming just by the name, no time to Google today) Company I have never heard of.... As well as IBM

Out of principle these companies should pull out of SA in response (Yes somewhat controversial) but may enlighten these idiots as to how much of a contribution they made to SA, REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICS!
 
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Wonder if victims of the "Struggles" violence will be able to claim from companies/countries that supported the struggle?

Like who? Cuba and the Soviet Union?

I doubt you'd get much money.
 
What about all the countries/companies that punished SA for their policies? They supported the struggle by way of sanctions. If the precedent set by this court case is anything to go by then by my logic, if someone gets injured/traumatised by any people of the struggle, that means I'm entitled to sue the companies/countries that supported the struggle? Thats my take on it anyway.

As a side note something I've been thinking about for a bit really. No one ever gives a thought to those people who may have been against the policies of apartheid but were too scared to speak up, for fear of retribution. They were victims too weren't they?

I was too young in those days to have implemented or supported apartheid as were many others, yet these peope are now suffering because of it. It's a catch 22 imho and they are now potentially "victims" of apartheid too? The fact that these people are predominantly white leads me to beleve if any one ever brought a class action for being victims of apartheid it would be laughed out of court.

Just my two pennys worth :D
 
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