Another model, another racist tweet

R13... said:
Your juvenile petulance duly noted for future reference.
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You are on this board for so long now you ask me what was the debacle about the De La Rey song? Sometimes the sheer stupidity on MyBB just amazes me. We here have two songs. The "Kill the boer (whites)" song and the "De la Rey" song. The one was a symbolic song that caused much negative controversy and the other one call for "white genocide" but it is rather just to be accepted as a metaphor? How quaint.
 
Sinbad said:
No. Nothing has been done about it. Where are the consequences to people who still sing it?

Crossing wires? You are the one claiming its just a metaphor, against all evidence and the judgement. You are the one muddying the waters.
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It's a metaphor when [legally] used to commemorate the struggle. It's hate speech when used to hate. There is a difference and my admission that the Twitts and their Tweets are racist and can garner other racists, by default means I agree it's hate speech, and am vehemently against it. The problem to me is is that you cannot seem to separate the two. When you see a crowd different, marching and singing their songs, your upbringing, emotion and influences dictate to you that it is inherently hatred, calls for genocide, etc.

Let me repeat so we are clear on what the real issue is. There are no calls for white genocide, nor is there white genocide. A Tweet from a Twit is no call for genocide, and not comparable to other nonsense-official genocide watch ratings or other nonsense-statistic websites or any other semi realistic suggestions.

And to be crystal clear, I do understand how emotions etc. can lead to different people having various negative and racial thoughts and beliefs.

If you think I am muddying the water though, then you lack empathy for others.

I'm sure you, Leandra and the other one are good people at the end of the day. ;)
 
PostmanPot said:
It's a metaphor when [legally] used to commemorate the struggle. It's hate speech when used to hate. There is a difference and my admission that the Twitts and their Tweets are racist and can garner other racists, by default means I agree it's hate speech, and am vehemently against it. The problem to me is is that you cannot seem to separate the two. When you see a crowd different, marching and singing their songs, your upbringing, emotion and influences dictate to you that it is inherently hatred, calls for genocide, etc.

Let me repeat so we are clear on what the real issue is. There are no calls for white genocide, nor is there white genocide. A Tweet from a Twit is no call for genocide, and not comparable to other nonsense-official genocide watch ratings or other nonsense-statistic websites or any other semi realistic suggestions.

And to be crystal clear, I do understand how emotions etc. can lead to different people having various negative and racial thoughts and beliefs.

If you think I am muddying the water though, then you lack empathy for others.

I'm sure you, Leandra and the other one are good people at the end of the day. ;)
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again, why? because "YOU say so?"

EDIT: remember, all Hitler wanted was 'peace', until it was too late...
 
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PostmanPot said:
It's a metaphor when [legally] used to commemorate the struggle. It's hate speech when used to hate. There is a difference and my admission that the Twitts and their Tweets are racist and can garner other racists, by default means I agree it's hate speech, and am vehemently against it. The problem to me is is that you cannot seem to separate the two. When you see a crowd different, marching and singing their songs, your upbringing, emotion and influences dictate to you that it is inherently hatred, calls for genocide, etc.

Let me repeat so we are clear on what the real issue is. There are no calls for white genocide, nor is there white genocide. A Tweet from a Twit is no call for genocide, and not comparable to other nonsense-official genocide watch ratings or other nonsense-statistic websites or any other semi realistic suggestions.

And to be crystal clear, I do understand how emotions etc. can lead to different people having various negative and racial thoughts and beliefs.

If you think I am muddying the water though, then you lack empathy for others.

I'm sure you, Leandra and the other one are good people at the end of the day. ;)
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Please don't lump me with them.

Ok fine if you can legally corkscrew your way into justifying the song, then surely you have to agree that it is inappropriate and insensitive? After all, perception seems to be so important when deciding that a word is evil? It's fine to sing songs that invoke fear based on people's experiences (rationally or not), but it's not fine to use a word that causes hurt based on people's experiences?
 
Sinbad said:
Please don't lump me with them.

Ok fine if you can legally corkscrew your way into justifying the song, then surely you have to agree that it is inappropriate and insensitive? After all, perception seems to be so important when deciding that a word is evil? It's fine to sing songs that invoke fear based on people's experiences (rationally or not), but it's not fine to use a word that causes hurt based on people's experiences?
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In the same light denying their [now legal] right to sing and commemorate their struggle, is also insensitive. To them it could mean undermining their struggle (which to many is not over yet).

Shoot the Boer has been argued in SA's highest court from all sides. All you've left me feeling is unenlightened and that you lack the empathy to differentiate and separate racist Tweets, fear monger suggestions of genocide, and legal political songs. I am left only to deduce that you have been programmed to cross wires in such a way that your supposedly reasoned outcome is exactly what you wanted to hear before giving it some thought.

I don't expect to have rocked your world either. The bottom line is that respect is a two way street.

Good day! :)
 
PostmanPot said:
In the same light denying their [now legal] right to sing and commemorate their struggle, is also insensitive. To them it could mean undermining their struggle (which to many is not over yet).

Shoot the Boer has been argued in SA's highest court from all sides. All you've left me feeling is unenlightened and that you lack the empathy to differentiate and separate racist Tweets, fear monger suggestions of genocide, and legal political songs. I am left only to deduce that you have been programmed to cross wires in such a way that your supposedly reasoned outcome is exactly what you wanted to hear before giving it some thought.

I don't expect to have rocked your world either. The bottom line is that respect is a two way street.

Good day! :)
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Well then we have an impasse. Immovable object, irresistible force etc.
So there can be no solution, right? Other than for one side to suck it up and suffer in silence?
No middle ground?
Not all struggle songs are as blatantly violent as kill the boer, are they? I'm sure I've heard some pretty uplifting ones too... Why not sing those? They provide a good message for everyone. Insisting on singing the violent ones merely shows what I perceive to be a will to intimidate at a time when this country desperately needs to pull together.
 
Wow that's hectic. Calling for genocide. They should actually take her to the International Court and try her for trying to incite genocide.
 
Apache said:
Wow that's hectic. Calling for genocide. They should actually take her to the International Court and try her for trying to incite genocide.
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No no no, PostmanPot says there is no call for, or 'incitement' of genocide, that's good enough for me...

/sarcasm.
 
intel8080 said:
Wow and she deleted most of her postings ! ! ! She must have spend lots of times sorting out the mess she got into.
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Looks like she has deleted her twitter account. Don't know if that has been posted in this thread.
 
boramk said:
Woah, your grandfather's generation? I knew about the Great Trek and the reasons for it, I had no idea that the British enforced things like that so recently!
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seeing that he was 45 years old when my mother was born :), I am actually way younger then you.

Either way I never met him only heard the stories :)
 
i was talking to my wife about these two racist models. she reckons that when white people have a racist comment like that, it gets escallated quick. the response to her comment was mostly death threats and people saying that she must watch out where she goes now because she's going to be killed/raped (loosely quoting news24 comments from what i was told).

instead of condemning her, people now feel the need to out do her comment.

i just laugh at everyone when they comment on how south africa is a rolemodel for racial harmony and all kinds of bullpoop.

affirmative action, suidlanders, farm killings, cops beating up shebeen owners, black school not wanting an indian principal (newish story).... etc etc *yawn*

this doesn't mean i agree with the k-word tweet. i disagree with the reply as well. just as much. they should both be punnished equally, but that will never happen.
 
Easter Bunny said:
i was talking to my wife about these two racist models. she reckons that when white people have a racist comment like that, it gets escallated quick. the response to her comment was mostly death threats and people saying that she must watch out where she goes now because she's going to be killed/raped (loosely quoting news24 comments from what i was told).

instead of condemning her, people now feel the need to out do her comment.

i just laugh at everyone when they comment on how south africa is a rolemodel for racial harmony and all kinds of bullpoop.

affirmative action, suidlanders, farm killings, cops beating up shebeen owners, black school not wanting an indian principal (newish story).... etc etc *yawn*

this doesn't mean i agree with the k-word tweet. i disagree with the reply as well. just as much. they should both be punnished equally, but that will never happen.
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yeah, well summarized! It all a typical SA racism joke.
 
Easter Bunny said:
this doesn't mean i agree with the k-word tweet. i disagree with the reply as well. just as much. they should both be punnished equally, but that will never happen.
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I agree that both should be punished, but not equally. You can't compare one person insulting an anonymous person who possibly deserved it, to calling for the genocide of an entire race.
 
White people are so gdamned pathetic, lying down, justifying the kicks they get. They deserve to be exploited and subjugated by other races who will actively pursue their goup interests like rational people.

"That was a really good one, I felt the heel that time. Ooohh is that a steel tipped toe? Very good taste if I do say so myself, sir. Here, let me offer you my crotch. No don't worry, I haven't had balls for some time now."
 
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