Now do you understand the importance of empirical evidence
? Its cuts out the wooh beliefs like SirSloths delusions.-
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Now do you understand the importance of empirical evidence
? Its cuts out the wooh beliefs like SirSloths delusions.Juice
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Hahahahahaha! As opposed to, say, the abundance of proof in favour of Creationism?
Side by side, Evolution is a far better hypothesis than Creationism...
Juice
Blatant lie. Jesus would not be impressed. There are billions of pieces of evidence for evolution that involve the fossil record, DNA, empirical observation, experimentation, geology, etc etc.
I didn't know that this was a religious debate now, Qwikslver....
Any argument against evolution stems from religion.Religion is the only thing that can make people lie with such joy as it does with you.
Billions? That in itself is speculation at best.
HapticSimian
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Nah. You consist of about 10,000,000,000,000 cells. Each one of them is evidence for evolution.
Nah. You consist of about 10,000,000,000,000 cells. Each one of them is evidence for evolution.
Evidence for creation.
But why would someone say been anti-evolution is akin to being pro apartheid. Seems an odd thing to say.
Nah. You consist of about 10,000,000,000,000 cells. Each one of them is evidence for evolution.
He also forgets every single fossil and geographical piece of evidence that supports evolution that has been found. He truly has no clue about what he is talking about. The same evidence he will happily use to execute people for murder (DNA evidence), is the same evidence used to support evolution. Creationists are such hypocrites.
Mineer
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slightly OT but what are the arguments against evolution or the problems? I mean from the scientific view ... not the creationist view
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Now do you understand the importance of empirical evidence
Evolution also follows formal logic, I mean if I give you all the fossil records and put them next to one another then the logical conclusion would be, that they are related. Now when it comes to economics however (which lets be honest was what you were pointing out) then empirical models do not predict it very accurately, they are often wrong, hence the logical conclusion would be that they aren't reliable.
HapticSimian
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Well... no. Creationism is a hypothesis devoid of evidence. But you already know this.Evidence for creation.
I don't see the correlation the OP seems to infer, but both are stances fuelled by ideology and intellectual dishonesty in spite of all evidence to the contrary.
There are no scientific arguments against evolution. There are arguments about specific lineages. Like which animals came from which ancestors, etc, but its more very specific stuff that scientists are investigating for a greater understanding, but put simply. There are no scientific arguments against evolution.\
It is both a fact and a theory.
Well... everything is related as we all come from common ancestors, also, two species can evolve the some of the same characteristics and easily be confused for belonging to the same family when they are not. That is why one has to have a greater set of logic tools that simple inductive reasoning...which brings us to the scientific method. Simply using Aristotelian logic is insufficient.
It is the dirty science. Yes, but thats more from our lack of knowledge than because it can never be a science.
1.a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences.
Juice
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Philosophically, truth is subjective. So, Creationism is true for the people who believe in it and Evolution is true for the people who believe in it. Conflicting versions of truth can all be true. Fact is not truth; it is not subject to perception or belief, but to proof and iterative testing and interpretation of tested hypotheses.
Pure Creationism is 'truth' and based on someone's belief irrespective of the presentation of facts. You can't argue against someone's beliefs. Evolution is a scientific hypothesis and while it has some gaps on the macro scale, it can be assumed to be fact on the micro scale. Evidence of Evolution abounds and until a better hypothesis comes along, it is our current understanding of species development as a fact.
As for me, I regard Evolution as fact and Creationism as truth. I'm complicated that way.
Juice
Dont believe that line at all. If I get a rabbit... and I lift up its tail and see that it has a penis and say its male, just because you believe its female doesnt make it so.
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Picard
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That's not logical.
Juice
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That's exactly the point. The fact is that the bunny is a male as determined by the evaluation of the supporting evidence. I believe that its a female and that makes it true from my point of view, but it does not make it a fact. It also makes me an idiot and you shouldn't argue with an idiot.
Juice
Juice
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Sorry, but I can't help adding "Captain" at the end of your post there, Picard...
(Yes, I know I'm crossing my Star Trek references, but I thought it was funny...
Juice
If someone thinks its a female then they are lying. Simple as that. The evidence, like for evolution is pretty determining. If you wish to lie to yourself on the sex of the rabbit thats your choice, but dont pretend its some type truth. Its a lie. One a person chooses to believe.
Elimentals
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More like the evolutionary science that creates tablets everyday that people takes to get better when ill and then thanks their gods for making them healthy again.
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porchrat
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Basically there are none. If there were any valid arguments then the Theory of Evolution as it stands today would no longer be a valid scientific theory.