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CaTcH21

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I just bought the Sony UX7 and i know it records in AVCHD format but FFS i wasnt told that i need a fkin Blu-Ray player to watch my DVD's.

And what software do i use on my PC ?

Anyone got any ideas/advise/input ?
 
What does it record on?

BluRay disks? I doubt it. It prolly records on DVD-Rs. You can watch those in any computer with a DVD drive and a reasonably fast (last 2 years) processor.

There is a list of progs which can edit the format:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD

Oh and you can't watch HD video in a standard DVD player. You could burn Bluray disks and watch those
in a Bluray player like a PS3 or save them on DVD or harddisk and watch on your PC. Downconverting to
PAL 720by576 will let you burn DVDs for set top box DVD players.
 
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PeterCH said:
What does it record on?

BluRay disks? I doubt it. It prolly records on DVD-Rs. You can watch those in any computer with a DVD drive and a reasonably fast (last 2 years) processor.

There is a list of progs which can edit the format:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD
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records on any dvd disc, but the format is AVCHD and does not work on my PC ( im sure i need some codec to make it play ) and does not work on my DVD player. From a little research, only Blu-Ray disc players will play this format. Now i need to go buy me a blu-ray player, does it ever end.
 
CaTcH21 said:
records on any dvd disc, but the format is AVCHD and does not work on my PC ( im sure i need some codec to make it play ) and does not work on my DVD player. From a little research, only Blu-Ray disc players will play this format. Now i need to go buy me a blu-ray player, does it ever end.
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Your research is incorrect. BD won't play that format. Go on the Wiki
and read through the software you need to edit and play the video.
It says that FFdShow works, so a codec pack from www.free-codecs.com
will work. K-Lite or CCCP.
 
FFDshow is a free, Open Source collection of codecs, including AVCHD.[17] To convert, it then requires a video editor/compressor like VirtualDubMod.[18]
Canopus's AVCHD Converter can convert AVCHD clips into a format which can be edited using Canopus' EDIUS 3/4.
A related tool, Canopus' ProCoder, can perform conversions that produce files which are usable by other video editing applications that do not support AVCHD natively.
Cineform also offers the Neo HDV product that allows AVCHD clips to be converted into I-frame wavelet .avi files designed for editing and post-production. These .avi files can be accepted by many popular consumer non-linear video editors, including those from Sony, Adobe and Corel, which has acquired Ulead.
Another useful product is CoreAVC, a reasonably cheap and quick h.264 decoder for Windows, which can decode AVCHD as well as a variety of other h.264 formats.
MainConcept sells a codec that is recommended for Adobe Premiere users.
Nero Vision can convert AVCHD files to other formats such as MPEG-2 or AVI and can import them for use in video editing projects. Nero Vision can also export Sony's M2TS format to MPEG-4 files that can be viewed by Quicktime 7.
PowerDVD Ultra comes with an AVCHD codec that can be used with AVISynth and VirtualDubMod.[18]
There is a transcoder to convert AVCHD into P2, which is a format you can import into Avid's MXF file format. The transcoder was created by Main Concept and is distributed free of charge by Panasonic. Version 1.1 and earlier will convert AVCHD media from any camera, while version 1.2 and higher is locked to only work with AVCHD media created with Panasonic cameras. You can download the file from Panasonic.
Latest version VAIO Editing Components that pre-loaded with Sony VAIO PCs can serve as a plug-in for Adobe Premiere Pro 2 to support AVC-HD import/export and editing.
VoltaicHD is a simple yet useful tool to allow you to convert AVCHD files into other useful formats. The PC version allows output to WMV and AVI files. A Mac version is also available. HD Quick Look from ShedWorx lets you view the first frame of your AVCHD files (mts or m2ts) without even opening them. View multiple files as a slide show, as an index sheet or full screen - all with a single click.
Badaboom from Elemental Technologies uses the NVIDIA card in your computer to drastically accelerate conversion of AVCHD to various H264 formats including iPod, AppleTV, PSP.

[edit] Editing
The following video-editing software features support for the AVCHD format:

Adobe Premiere Elements 7
ArcSoft's TotalMedia Extreme, Corel's Ulead VideoStudio 11 Plus, Corel's Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6, CyberLink's PowerDirector 6, Sony Vegas 7.0e, Vegas Pro 8, Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 8, Pinnacle's Studio Plus 11 & 12, Avid Xpress Pro, Avid Media Composer, Canopus' EDIUS Pro 4.5 and TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress.
Nero 7 Ultra Edition Enhanced and Nero 8 Ultra Edition are software suites which contains the AVCHD editor, found in Nero Vision. Also included in this suite is Nero Showtime, which plays AVCHD files natively. Edited video can also be burned to DVD discs in AVCHD format for playback on hardware players or in Blu-ray format.
Apple's Final Cut Express 4, Final Cut 6.0.1, and iMovie '08 (Bundled with all new macs) allow you to convert AVCHD to the Apple Intermediate Codec format, but do not support AVCHD directly.[19]
Other developers have pledged their support but it may still take some time for the implementation.
See the comparison of video editing software for more information on these products.


[edit] Authoring
Production Premium CS4 supports AVCHD for Premiere Pro, AfterEffects, and Encore.
(Mac) Roxio Toast Titanium 9 is a converting and authoring tool with rudimentary editing functions. It is capable of importing AVCHD video and authoring a DVD, AVCHD or Blu-ray disc. Standard definition authoring is included, high definition authoring requires HD/BD Plug-in, which costs extra.

[edit] Open Source Codecs
The following open source codecs can decode AVCHD files:

ffdshow tryouts, revision 1971 May 23 2008, will decode AVC (H.264) format video.[20]
 
Blu-Ray files are usually played on the Matroska codec, which is included in most Codec Packs.

that's all i can add if it helps....
 
Keeper said:
Blu-Ray files are usually played on the Matroska codec, which is included in most Codec Packs.

that's all i can add if it helps....
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Matroska is not actually a codec but a container - .MKV
like say the MP4 container or the .AVI container or even
Quicktime - .MOV

BR uses H.264 AVC which can be kept in MOV, AVI, MP4 or MKV
files.
 
PeterCH said:
Your research is incorrect. BD won't play that format. Go on the Wiki
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From wiki ...

Playing back AVCHD video
Recorded AVCHD video can be played back in variety of ways:

directly from a camcorder on a HDTV, through HDMI or component-video cable;
burned onto writable Blu-ray disc, then played on a Blu-ray Disc player or on a PLAYSTATION 3 gaming console;
recorded on a solid-state memory card (SDHC, Memory Stick), then played from many Blu-ray Disc players, on select Panasonic HDTV sets and on a PLAYSTATION 3 gaming console;
burned onto DVD disc, then played from most Blu-ray Disc players [7];
on a computer, playing from the camcorder connected via USB as an external storage device (with requisite software such as media player with AVC decoder installed);
on a computer, playing directly from recorded media
 
CaTcH21 said:
From wiki ...

Playing back AVCHD video
Recorded AVCHD video can be played back in variety of ways:

directly from a camcorder on a HDTV, through HDMI or component-video cable;
burned onto writable Blu-ray disc, then played on a Blu-ray Disc player or on a PLAYSTATION 3 gaming console;
recorded on a solid-state memory card (SDHC, Memory Stick), then played from many Blu-ray Disc players, on select Panasonic HDTV sets and on a PLAYSTATION 3 gaming console;
burned onto DVD disc, then played from most Blu-ray Disc players [7];
on a computer, playing from the camcorder connected via USB as an external storage device (with requisite software such as media player with AVC decoder installed);
on a computer, playing directly from recorded media
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If you read that you'll see that it says MOST. Secondly run of the mill BD players released now have problems playing store bought disks, if you bothered to research the topic in depth you'd see what I mean. Thirdly I think your original question was if you HAD to buy a BD player to view your recorded stuff or not. And I answered it. You can view your stuff on any computer using the Free FFDSHOW codec or you can be less of a cheapskate and buy NeroVision. So no, you did not do your research correctly as using a BluRay player is not the only way to view the files, certainly not all BluRay players can even read BD Writables.

The final thing, when you post a question and someone answers it - thank them for bothering instead of having a presumptious attitude. I call it manners. But then again maybe you should go and buy a BD player for > R5000. Don't ever ask me anything again BTW as I won't bother to answer.
 
PeterCH said:
If you read that you'll see that it says MOST. Secondly run of the mill BD players released now have problems playing store bought disks, if you bothered to research the topic in depth you'd see what I mean. Thirdly I think your original question was if you HAD to buy a BD player to view your recorded stuff or not. And I answered it. You can view your stuff on any computer using the Free FFDSHOW codec or you can be less of a cheapskate and buy NeroVision. So no, you did not do your research correctly as using a BluRay player is not the only way to view the files, certainly not all BluRay players can even read BD Writables.

The final thing, when you post a question and someone answers it - thank them for bothering instead of having a presumptious attitude. I call it manners. But then again maybe you should go and buy a BD player for > R5000. Don't ever ask me anything again BTW as I won't bother to answer.
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lol, you sound like a school girl ( or you could be gay) . i dont need your incorrect answers in future.
 
PeterCH said:
You sure about that?

http://www.amazon.com/review/R153FQRREU6HCM/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm

At least one customer says it won't work in non-Sony players.
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It seems more likely that some players can't play back DVD-R/RW. All BD players have to play back AVC-HD as it is one of the formats specified in the BD format, allong with MPEG-2 and VC-1.

Here are some examples for you:
http://www.blu-ray.com/players/players.php?id=75&show=specs
http://www.blu-ray.com/players/players.php?id=104&show=specs
http://www.blu-ray.com/players/players.php?id=93&show=specs
http://www.blu-ray.com/players/players.php?id=32&show=specs
http://www.blu-ray.com/players/players.php?id=96&show=specs
http://www.blu-ray.com/players/players.php?id=63&show=specs
http://www.blu-ray.com/players/players.php?id=65&show=specs

Notice how Sony and Samsung play back DVD-R/RW and +RW, but the other brands don't. It's not a codec issue, it's a disk type issue.

The final thing, when you post a question and someone answers it - thank them for bothering instead of having a presumptious attitude. I call it manners. But then again maybe you should go and buy a BD player for > R5000. Don't ever ask me anything again BTW as I won't bother to answer
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You gave him the wrong information and complain that he didn't say thanks? Dude, get over yourself.:mad:
 
arf9999 said:
It seems more likely that some players can't play back DVD-R/RW. All BD players have to play back AVC-HD as it is one of the formats specified in the BD format, allong with MPEG-2 and VC-1.

Here are some examples for you:
http://www.blu-ray.com/players/players.php?id=75&show=specs
http://www.blu-ray.com/players/players.php?id=104&show=specs
http://www.blu-ray.com/players/players.php?id=93&show=specs
http://www.blu-ray.com/players/players.php?id=32&show=specs
http://www.blu-ray.com/players/players.php?id=96&show=specs
http://www.blu-ray.com/players/players.php?id=63&show=specs
http://www.blu-ray.com/players/players.php?id=65&show=specs

Notice how Sony and Samsung play back DVD-R/RW and +RW, but the other brands don't. It's not a codec issue, it's a disk type issue.

You gave him the wrong information and complain that he didn't say thanks? Dude, get over yourself.:mad:
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Thanks for your help man ;)
 
arf9999 said:
You gave him the wrong information and complain that he didn't say thanks? Dude, get over yourself.:mad:
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hey people - every thread on this forum has correct and incorrect info - but he is right, he took his time to post and whether or not it is right, it is helping. (because if it's wrong, it will be pointed out, and the op will know)
 
I agree, it takes nothing to just say thank you. No need to donate a kidney or anything, just a thank you for trying to help, now is that so hard?
 
DDV TECH said:
I agree, it takes nothing to just say thank you. No need to donate a kidney or anything, just a thank you for trying to help, now is that so hard?
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I agree with you totally ... but PeterCH had no right to flame when i only pointed out that according to wiki, a Blu-Ray disc player can play AVCHD format. So there is no need to thank someone who is insisting on his wrong advise and on top of that, expects a thank you.
 
Well, how about “thank you peterhc, but according to my information that is completely wrong.” If he still insists on “helping” you, then by all means tell him to fusk off. I’m not taking sides just stating the obvious. I think my statement was meant more as a general one on forum Netiquette, than aimed at you specifically.
 
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