Are you preparing for another hard lockdown?

Are you stockpiling?

  • Yes - the likelihood of a hard lockdown is high

    Votes: 100 30.2%

  • No - they wouldn't dare

    Votes: 231 69.8%
  • Total voters
    331
And please let's all not forget that the mainstream press is owned by the same corporates that give us our modern headaches.
 
Brian_G said:
You make a lot of sense.

My last point for now - any equivalent condition, such as the more serious flu's of recent years, can lead to similar concerns, but haven't resulted in this psychotic-type nightmare of a world reaction.
There is proof that the hospital stats are also manipulated, such as in Italy where it was only the ICU's which were full for a while, and in an area where mostly older people live.
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Agree with you there. The main driver behind the current hysteria is just that this is so new and nobody defintively knows the extent of what it will do and how we could treat it. Not saying the fear is completely unwarranted... however i do agree that it has been taken a little too far
 
newby_investor said:
Ramaphosa's assertion that a second wave would be deadlier is simply not true.
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Was it him who said that?

Web-Guy said:
Because we don't lockdown fully. A percentage of people carry on spreading the disease and this allows for it to survive until the lockdown is lifted, then it resumes spreading faster.
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The infection trend was the opposite. Rate of infection dropped as restrictions were lifted.

UnusualNegotiation7 said:
So if something relatively well understood and with numerous treatments available can still infect 20% of the population why would you not need to worry about something spread easier and with no real treatment options available as of now?
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There are numerous treatment options. There have been treatment options since the beginning. It's the entire basis of admitting people to hospital. Otherwise there would not even be the prepare the hospitals excuse, because you'd just tell people to go home if they turned up.

UnusualNegotiation7 said:
Dont believe LD is happening in the immediate future however there has been a rise and if the trend continues there may be no option but to go into another lockdown. Unfortunately people are not taking it seriously and unless a very unlikely change occurs then LD is a very real likelihood
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The trend in South Africa is staying flat.

There is nothing to take seriously. Any lockdown would be even more stupid than the first one and just as ineffective. Only the really unhinged would propose or support doing it again in South Africa.

Rickster said:
If 100% of people adhered to the lockdown then we wouldn't need another one but this country is full of retards.
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Sure, sure, that's the standard excuse. Or it's simply that no practical lockdown has that much impact, if any.

etienne_marais said:
In the previous run some pharmacies ran out vitamin c & d. Apart from ciggies that was about how bad it got for me in terms of availability.
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In summer I expect no-one should need D unless they're confined indoors. Even in a flat you could just stick your arm out for some sun. Taking vitamin C seems fairly pointless.

barbm01 said:
We Sefricans must take the sd and mask thing more seriously.
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Absolutely. The latter in particular is seriously stupid and pointless in 99% of situations, and only marginally beneficial in the remainder.
 
UnusualNegotiation7 said:
Agree with you there. The main driver behind the current hysteria is just that this is so new and nobody defintively knows the extent of what it will do and how we could treat it. Not saying the fear is completely unwarranted... however i do agree that it has been taken a little too far
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That has to be answered...
The current nearly year-long hysteria is most surely far too extreme to see it only like that. Besides much now being known about it, look at the mad things that were and still are going on, many obvious. Even the press stupidly started chanting that "things will never be the same again" from almost day 1, giving themselves away.
So much could be shown, but careful personal research is best for people to find their own way to truth.

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noxibox said:
There are numerous treatment options. There have been treatment options since the beginning. It's the entire basis of admitting people to hospital. Otherwise there would not even be the prepare the hospitals excuse, because you'd just tell people to go home if they turned up.
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Well not sure if you paid attention but that is pretty much exactly what happened in alot of places. If you had covid but weren't serious go home and isolate. If you were serious were put on ventilation in hopes that they could keep you alive long enough for you to fight it off on your own, if you took too long ventilation was stopped and given to someone else and well you just died. Witnessed this myself numerous times until just very recently not a single treatment was found to be effective at treating covid itself, just methods to help you live long enough to maybe recover and that is not a treatment

noxibox said:
The trend in South Africa is staying flat.

There is nothing to take seriously. Any lockdown would be even more stupid than the first one and just as ineffective. Only the really unhinged would propose or support doing it again in South Afric
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Yes currently the trends are relatively flat but there is signs of a slow increase that if nothing is done about it, it will grow back into an exponential rise which would leave no other option besides a hard lockdown to curb spread. The "lets wait till its really bad before we do something" approach is very seldom a good one to take
 
But it never does get really bad, not even close, anywhere... perhaps best to give it a break, and there are dedicated Covid threads (very, very long ones).
 
Brian_G said:
That has to be answered...
The current nearly year-long hysteria is most surely far too extreme to see it only like that. Besides much now being known about it, look at the mad things that were and still are going on, many obvious. Even the press stupidly started chanting that "things will never be the same again" from almost day 1, giving themselves away.
So much could be shown, but careful personal research is best for people to find their own way to truth.

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Will never and have never trusted the press for reliable info, their job is literally get as many people to watch you as possible so their word is often not as reliable as they want you to believe it is.
I do agree that personal research is the best way however most people dont have the ability to know where to look and how to interpret results correctly, context is something taken too easily for granted and often as a result ignored. People are free to come to their own conclusions but shouldnt expect their conclusions to always be correct. Thats the whole premise of the scientific process
 
Brian_G said:
But it never does get really bad, not even close, anywhere... perhaps best to give it a break, and there are dedicated Covid threads (very, very long ones).
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Agreed easy to get distracted during a good debate when people actually debate instead of attack. Till we meet again
 
noxibox said:
In summer I expect no-one should need D unless they're confined indoors. Even in a flat you could just stick your arm out for some sun. Taking vitamin C seems fairly pointless.
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Totally agree.

Lots of food contain Vit C so just by eating properly you should never need additional Vit C.

I eat chillies all the time so should never have a shortage of it. Vit D also should not be a major issue in SA, even during winter.
 
noxibox said:
The infection trend was the opposite. Rate of infection dropped as restrictions were lifted.
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seriously? That's your evidence? and you attribute infection rate lowering(if it lowered at all) to lockdown lifting?
people like you are dangerous
 
newby_investor said:
Ramaphosa's assertion that a second wave would be deadlier is simply not true. Nowhere in the world where a second wave has been experienced has seen a death count as high as the first wave. And ours was for whatever reason much lower than the global average anyway.

If there are more economic deaths, I lay the blame squarely at the feet of the ANC.
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Czechia and Poland , two examples where deaths per day now is much higher than in the first wave of March / April
 
A friend of our's says, her mother has a leg problem and "I am so worried about my mother". The mother is 89.
2 UK doctors discussing COVID-19 on YT. They refer to a patient who came into ICU with COVID-19 and died. He was 85.
What are we trying to do?

Prevent infections as much as possible, but a lockdown will only defer them. Accept that the virus is just a new thing in the cycle of life and death.
I am 70 and know a few people who are my age or older. I still have to find a single one who is really worried about the virus. They take precautions but that is all. We all know that sooner or later we will die.
By all accounts I have seen to die from COVI-19 is not a nice death. So why is there no discussion about how we can make such a death less distressing?
 
Aaannnd.... life throws its next curveball...

www.medicalbrief.co.za

WHO's bombshell: We do not advocate lock-downs to control COVID-19 - Medical Brief

Professor David Nabarro, the world’s highest-ranking expert on COVID-19, has said that the World Health Organisation (WHO) does not advocate lockdowns, since their only consequence is to “make poor people an awful lot poorer.” It's a bombshell admission, writes independent researcher Ivo...
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UnusualNegotiation7 said:
So if something relatively well understood and with numerous treatments available can still infect 20% of the population why would you not need to worry about something spread easier and with no real treatment options available as of now?
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No. What's the survival rate, without treatment, for COVID-19 vs HIV?
 
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