ASASA - Another toothless regulator

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As suggested by Pupa here

Quotes of yet another unsucessful complaint against Telkoms false advertising:
(Note: The ASASA insists on communicating via PDF's of Fax's so excuse any typo's i may have made in reproducing this)

ASASA said:
Dear Mr #####
The above matter refers.

We have received your letter of complaint and have noted the contents.

We are currently assessing your complaint and will advise you further in due course.


Yours sincerely
THE ADVERTISING STANDARDS AUTHORITY OF SOUTH AFRICA
Looks promising....

ASASA said:
Dear Mr #####

The above matter refer.

Please note that we have received a response from ######, Telkom's advertising agency.

They have also provided us with a copy of the relevant television commercial as well as a print advertisment. From this information we cannot find any instance where Telkom mentions that it has certain restrictions with regards to its ADSL product.

Sould you be able to provide us with specific examples of restrictions that Telkom has, we would then be in a position to reassess the matter.
Followed by a copy of the Ad agencies response.



My response
ambo said:
Thank you very much for your communications.

Regarding your request for more specific details regarding the claims made:
I am still in the process of obtaining extensive documentation but in the mean time i would like to refer you to the transcripts of ICASA's hearings into Telkom's ADSL service. On numerous occasions during the hearings - the classing of multimedia and gaming users as service abusers was brought up.

http://home.telkomsa.net/rudolph/ADSL1.doc

http://home.telkomsa.net/rudolph/ADSL2.doc

http://home.telkomsa.net/rudolph/ADSL3.doc
A specific reference pertaining to this document (Page 143 - Line 22):
“Telkom’s ADSL service was never intended for bandwidth-hungry applications, such as gaming or online trading”.

http://home.telkomsa.net/rudolph/ADSL4.doc

It is also a well known fact around the Internet community that many multimedia and gaming users have been branded abusers by staff at Telkom. I am not completely sure whether this has been in an official capacity or an unofficial opinion expressed by staff members but as it has been expressed through official communication channels of the company, i feel it gives this comment valid consideration either way.

I would also at this time like to mention that equal dissatisfaction has been expressed (within a number of Internet communities) regarding Telkom's new advertising campaign on Mark Gillman's show on 5fm as well as print adverts in the magazine FHM. I plan to also submit complaints regarding these as soon as i have sufficient facts.



ASASA said:
Please find attached a response from Telkom

Telkom Group Legal Services said:
Telkom wishes to respond to the above complaint as follows:

If the first complaint, dated 12th of August 2005, is analysed it transpires that the complainant refers to the so-called "current policies" when indicating that online gaming and music downloads are restricted by Telkom

Tho only policy that Telkom could find in this regard is its "Acceptable Use Policy" (AUP) whicj applies to Telkom's DSL services.

It is Telkom's view that, although the AUP referred to above does stipulate that downloading movies and gaming could lead to excessive usage, it also makes recommendations pertaining to how to minimise usage by employing certain downloading protocols when accessing these sites.

It is therefore our submission that the AUP merely ensures that usage is managed effectively and does not contradict the advertisment, which merely promotes the optimum (but still responsible) usage of Telkom's DSL service.

With regards to the second complaint received from the complainant on 21 August 2005, Telkom wishes to confirm that the comments made by the ICASA hearings should be read in the correct context and that Telkom's DSL services has evolved since the inception of the said service.

At the outset Telkom's DSL service was not focused on or developed for bandwidth-hungry applications, such a gaming and online trading.

However, due to the rapidly changing technological landscape Telkom wishes to confirm that the aforementioned views also evolved, and submit that while gaming and video streaming would be somewhat restricted on the two and three gigabyte services due to its shaped nature, Telkom made a four gigabyte unshaped service available where there is no protocol shaping that favours applications such as video streaming and gaming.

It should also be noted that, while a customer is connected to the internet, Telkom only enforces a twenty-four hour time out and sixty minute idle time-out, so if the customer is gaming for twenty-four hours at a trot, Telkom will interrupt his/her session to enable us to allocate dynamic internet protocol's and measure usage.

The customer therefore effectively has a twenty-four hour window since last login to game or do video streaming before the dynamic internet protocol will affect him/her on the four gigabyte unshaped service.

In light of the above comments Telkom differs, with respect, with the unsubstantiated comment expressed by the complainant, namely "it is a well known fact around the Internet community" that Telkom branded multimedia and gaming users as abusers.

In light of the above comments, Telkom are of the respectful view that it did not mislead its customer's in respect of the above DSL service.
 
The above message is Legal speak for "blah blah blah blah etc"

the AUP is only brought to light AFTER you sign the 24 month conract and are now capped. Love the 4Gig Video/Audio streaming offer... 4 gigs! yeah right!

In light of the above comments, Telkom are of the respectful view that it did not mislead its customer's in respect of the above DSL service.

This is an opinion.... the same opinion that allows telkom to collect debt from 10 years ago.

At the outset Telkom's DSL service was not focused on or developed for bandwidth-hungry applications, such a gaming and online trading.
Wow! so whats the point of ADSL ? Checking Email?

Can Telkom supply proof that anyone has agreed to the AUP? and signing the contract saying "I have accepted the AUP" on the contract does NOT quantify that.

There was a president set that Even if the "Conditions" are on the back of the Contract, the person has to sign BOTH sides of the contract form for the "Terms" to be binding.

Richard
 
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What a bunch of wankers. Of course Telkom will say anything to justify themselves. The problem is that ASASA do not go to another expert for the final analysis, they do not have the knowledge nor the intelect to even know what Broadband is, what it should be and how it works. This is just another symptom of the country we live in. The only way is to expose these crap is with media adverts to show the people the contrary. ASASA can pack their bags and go home to sleep, they are as useless as can be got!!!!
 
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