Auras - Real ?

Sinbad said:
Nope.
You can't disprove something like this experimentally. You can only fail to find proof that it's there... and that could be experimental error.
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Depends on the claims being made.

Some people claim to be able to diagnose illnesses from people's auras, for example. You can disprove that.

Some people claim to be able to detect the auras of others, and then fail to notice it's not actually a person, or that there isn't anyone there. Either they're lying, or they're deceiving themselves.

How does what you claim differ from what they claim?

Sinbad said:
Yup, I do. Works for me. Funny, that. And you know what, even if it's placebo, it does good, and no harm. So where is the problem?
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There are a whole lot of dangers to pseudoscience. Not saying you promote this nonsense, but there are actually quacks that promote reiki as a cure for cancer, for example.

Supporting pseudoscience gives cover and tacit support to these quacks, imo.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
Depends on the claims being made.

Some people claim to be able to diagnose illnesses from people's auras, for example. You can disprove that.
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No, you can fail to prove it. Big difference.
Some people claim to be able to detect the auras of others, and then fail to notice it's not actually a person, or that there isn't anyone there. Either they're lying, or they're deceiving themselves.
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Yes, some people. Yes, lying, yes, maybe deceiving themselves. They are not a complete sample of EVERYONE who is sensitive to this kind of thing.

How does what you claim differ from what they claim?
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I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm relating my experience, which you're completely entitled to disagree with - and reactions like this (and worse) are why people who are serious about this kind of thing actually don't go public with it. It's not worth it, to prove something to someone. You'll never convince everyone, and you'll just end up stressing yourself out IMHO.
Supporting pseudoscience gives cover and tacit support to these quacks, imo.
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Same argument can be applied to guns. Some people abuse them so they must be evil, amirite? :p

It's complementary medicine. Not alternative. It provides supporting therapy - it doesn't cure all problems. I love getting a reiki treatment - but when I'm ill I also go to the doctor.
 
Where's jingaling when you need her guidance?

She can ask the spirits if aura's are real :whistle:
 
Personally I could still go with the aura concept much more so than the soul concept.

I mean just like I know we are made of atoms and in constant contact (or non-contact for that matter) with each and every thing around us even though I can't perceive it myself I could roll with the idea of auras having some kind of measurable validity.

Do I believe they exist? Not really. Do I believe it might be possible? Certainly would be open to the possibility that it might become measurable.

That being said, I'm not really versed on the topic so my concept of an aura might be way off.

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I mean for all that I know the "aura" as we consider it to be could be the unique "personality" of any one persons atomic structure and our interaction with that when in contact with said person.

On the other hand it could be purely psychological in that we can sense the nature of a person based on reading their body language and other attributes.

Even if it's psychological in nature, that doesn't really mean it doesn't exist as a concept.
 
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OrbitalDawn said:
but there are actually quacks that promote reiki as a cure for cancer, for example.
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That for me is the biggest issue. Faith healing or believing that your AIDS/Cancer/etc will be cured and then forfeiting medical help. Or worse, forcing this on your infants who don't even have a choice in the matter.

Selling quackery hurts people though. That money could have been spent on doctors or even food.
 
The only real aura is the one thats around me when I fart.

Other than that its delusion.
 
Sinbad said:
No, you can fail to prove it. Big difference.
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If no one has ever proven that homeopathy works, then does it work? Should you take homeopathic drops if you have a headache, which have never been proven to work, or aspirin, which has been proven to work over centuries?

Similarly, auras have never been proven to exist.

Imagine if I told you that there is a teapot orbiting the moon. You have not, and cannot, prove that it is not there. So, do you believe it is there?

Or if I told you that punching yourself in the balls will prevent pregnancy. It has never been disproven or proven, so maybe it will work.
 
Sinbad said:
Yes, some people. Yes, lying, yes, maybe deceiving themselves. They are not a complete sample of EVERYONE who is sensitive to this kind of thing.
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And yet in the long history of this stuff having been with us no one has ever been able to actually demonstrate what they're claiming...?

Sinbad said:
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm relating my experience, which you're completely entitled to disagree with - and reactions like this (and worse) are why people who are serious about this kind of thing actually don't go public with it. It's not worth it, to prove something to someone. You'll never convince everyone, and you'll just end up stressing yourself out IMHO.
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I know you're not. I'm just exploring your thinking in this.

Sinbad said:
Same argument can be applied to guns. Some people abuse them so they must be evil, amirite? :p

It's complementary medicine. Not alternative. It provides supporting therapy - it doesn't cure all problems. I love getting a reiki treatment - but when I'm ill I also go to the doctor.
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Except guns actually have demonstrable real world use, unlike pseudoscience. :p
 
Well homeopathy does work...but not for it's medicinal value as expected.

Statistically they figure that due to the fact that Homeopaths spend more time with their patients and genuinely take a caring approach to them, unlike Western doctors who want to get as many in and out as possible, the psychological bonus of human interaction helps in their recovery process.

So no Homeopathy itself doesn't work for ****, but the manner in which it is applied can be beneficial.


Then you really have to start asking yourself, if a placebo works...is there really a problem with it?


*****

Obviously this is based on minor cases, not something like HIV/AIDS or Cancer and I completely agree with the sentiment it should be banished altogether.
 
SauRoNZA said:
Well homeopathy does work...but not for it's medicinal value as expected.

Statistically they figure that due to the fact that Homeopaths spend more time with their patients and genuinely take a caring approach to them, unlike Western doctors who want to get as many in and out as possible, the psychological bonus of human interaction helps in their recovery process.

So no Homeopathy itself doesn't work for ****, but the manner in which it is applied can be beneficial.


Then you really have to start asking yourself, if a placebo works...is there really a problem with it?


*****

Obviously this is based on minor cases, not something like HIV/AIDS or Cancer and I completely agree with the sentiment it should be banished altogether.
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Modern medicine is supposed to work better than a placebo.
 
SauRoNZA said:
Well homeopathy does work...but not for it's medicinal value as expected.

Statistically they figure that due to the fact that Homeopaths spend more time with their patients and genuinely take a caring approach to them, unlike Western doctors who want to get as many in and out as possible, the psychological bonus of human interaction helps in their recovery process.

So no Homeopathy itself doesn't work for ****, but the manner in which it is applied can be beneficial.


Then you really have to start asking yourself, if a placebo works...is there really a problem with it?


*****

Obviously this is based on minor cases, not something like HIV/AIDS or Cancer and I completely agree with the sentiment it should be banished altogether.
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That's not even Homeopathy working in 'the manner in which it is applied'. That's basic compassion, long-term caring, being considerate etc. working.
 
It depends what you understand by 'aura'.

If auras are physical phenomena, we'll eventually find 'em, probably with the help of machines to sharpen our senses.

If they're not, then no amount of sensory investigation can possibly make a determination.
 
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