Average speed trapping KZN

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Hi,
I've just got a fine for 'speeding' in Howick. Problem with this - I made sure I didn't speed all the way to and from Durban because of the average trapping, so I'm baffled by the fine. The other thing is - do they trap on average speed or do they use cameras - or both? Surely they have to choose one or the other.
 
My guess is that the traffic police in KZN will use both. Zero tolerance, remember ;)
 
just another way to fleece the tax payer
the only real way to stop people speeding is to pull them over and make the increased speed actually cause the opposite effect by making their journey to take long
the problem with just a fine is that the person never really feels it as its just a swipe of a card
unfortunately our gov does not care about safety ... just about filling their coffers
 
The other thing is - do they trap on average speed or do they use cameras - or both? Surely they have to choose one or the other.

They use both types of trapping.
I wish they'd do the same on every Gauteng road.
 
Were you heading to durbs or jhb? from Durbs through PMB there are are a ton of zones down to 80km/h so very possible they got u somewhere there... from JHB side there are a few 100km/h zones before Howick. The area is very prone to mist so I know there is a 100 zone somwhere there near midmar dam. Unfortunately (as us KZN folk know) you dont even think of going 5km/h faster than speed limit anywhere within 50k of PMB .. they are terribly anal!
 
going to towards durban there the average speed zone is from ashburton bridge (where the N3 becomes 2 lanes) right up to the one stop engine garage, the bridge after that (when it opens up to 3 lanes). Apparently they use normal cameras and you are fined according to the time, it doesnt track your speed.

Some times the traffic police will setup traps, and they rubbishes they always setup when you going downhill. I commuted between durban and PMB everyday for a year. Didnt get a single fine only drove 120 in that zone I mentioned above. Dont know if there is average speed past PMB towards howick though.

Well you going to have to go speak to a traffic prosecutor and see what happens. You probably have no proof of the speed you were doing so most likely you going to have to pay the fine. If you go quickly you can probably get 50% off. Dont leave the fine outstanding, if you get jammed in those very big hardcore roadblocks, they can arrest you if you ignore the fine for long period of time (warrant for arrest will be issued).
 
My guess is that the traffic police in KZN will use both. Zero tolerance, remember ;)

That's the problem. I don't speed. I set my cruise control to the limit and when it changes I adjust it. Also, my Garmin was on, so I get warnings of traps anyway. On this particular trip I got harrassed by drivers whizzing up behind me (in the left-hand lane) and having hissy fits because I was driving at the limit. So to get a fine for speeding is the final insult. I intend to defend it.
 
Surely the fine you received specifies something about the type of fine? Any photos? Scan the fine, let us see. Remove names and things if you want.
 
just another way to fleece the tax payer
the only real way to stop people speeding is to pull them over and make the increased speed actually cause the opposite effect by making their journey to take long
the problem with just a fine is that the person never really feels it as its just a swipe of a card
unfortunately our gov does not care about safety ... just about filling their coffers
I like this idea. You see the idiot getting pulled over for speeding. Pass him and then see him a short while later doing 200+. Pull him over and make them wait in increments of an hour depending on how much over the limit they are. Minimum 1 hour.
 
I like this idea. You see the idiot getting pulled over for speeding. Pass him and then see him a short while later doing 200+. Pull him over and make them wait in increments of an hour depending on how much over the limit they are. Minimum 1 hour.

thanks ... I do have these rare moments :)
also ... it does make sense as time is money(time is more valuable if you ask me) ..... and while it does not fill the gov coffers, its does what the whole point of speed trap was in the first place, get the people to stop speeding in the first place by not imposing ridiculous penalties eg. take your car/licence away and causing other issues
 
hmmm... police dont care, I once got pulled over the oke refused to listen and I was on call -.- .... the ER ran out of freaking drugs so I was on my way to get anaesthics and adrenaline for the surgeons. THEY STILL FINED ME lol but the prosecutor made it go away when I went to complain.

I had an idea with speeding, make the right lane free of a speed limit intercity freeways (inside a city full restrictions of course). Have a toll gate for when speed limit goes away and ends to show its back and charge the buggers with an e-toll. If you drive 120kph you pay normal toll gate charges if you speed you pay per km. Track them via time. This also is good for economy in smaller towns. Your businessman that owns a ferrari in JHB going to DBN, isnt going to fly now :p ... nail him on road charges, he has to make stops for fuel and food along the way, he wont mind because he is wealthy and gets to pwn his sports car. Now money doesnt circulate in the major cities only :D
 
The more Provinces that adopt zero tolerance, the safer we will be.
Corrected it for you: The more Provinces that adopt zero tolerance, the more corruption there will be.

going to towards durban there the average speed zone is from ashburton bridge (where the N3 becomes 2 lanes) right up to the one stop engine garage, the bridge after that (when it opens up to 3 lanes). Apparently they use normal cameras and you are fined according to the time, it doesnt track your speed.

Some times the traffic police will setup traps, and they rubbishes they always setup when you going downhill. I commuted between durban and PMB everyday for a year. Didnt get a single fine only drove 120 in that zone I mentioned above. Dont know if there is average speed past PMB towards howick though.

Well you going to have to go speak to a traffic prosecutor and see what happens. You probably have no proof of the speed you were doing so most likely you going to have to pay the fine. If you go quickly you can probably get 50% off. Dont leave the fine outstanding, if you get jammed in those very big hardcore roadblocks, they can arrest you if you ignore the fine for long period of time (warrant for arrest will be issued).

I always thought that they have to be on level ground and that catching on an incline/decent was illegal :wtf:
 
yeah they not suppose to trap on bridges, they have a monthly target to make or they get put on some lame roster for traffic duties no one wants (i would put more details but I cant remember, a police officer told me this once).

I still see em trapping downhill setting up on bridges.
 
I still see em trapping downhill setting up on bridges.
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When it comes to the use of speed measuring devices and cameras in law enforcement exercises, the TCSP
guidelines and SANS 1795 (SABS) specifications always apply however an enormous amount of misinterpretation and
outright nonsense is then applied to these guidelines and specifications by those who apply and/or misinterpret
them.


Some of the provisions that are applicable under the TCSP guidelines are as follows:
All equipment used must meet SANS 1795 standards, must be calibrated regularly and must be operated by a traffic officer qualified in the use of that equipment.
No speed trap may be set up within 300m of the commencement of a speed limit zone either way. This does not mean that it may not be set up within 300m of a speed limit sign that is the same as that applicable in the area in which the exercise is being conducted.
Where cameras are used, there must be an accompanying camera warning sign unless the DPP has specifically stated that this is not necessary at that site. There is no requirement that such a camera warning sign must be in place if you are stopped immediately and fined.
 All camera evidence must have the data embedded on it in human readable format, easily viewable by a person with normal eyesight at the time that it is captured. There is no requirement in the TCSP guidelines for cross hairs to appear on this photograph but they should be there to show that the measurement was taken in the general vicinity of the number plate or headlight. Take note however that some equipment takes two photographs at the same time and not all equipment used is laser based for which this would be a requirement.
 All portable speed measuring equipment (SME) must be mounted on a firm and stable surface and this means that it must be on a tripod in most instances. The tripod itself also has to be on a firm and stable surface since there is no use in mounting the SME on a tripod and then putting that tripod on loose stones that allow it to wobble about.
There is absolutely no requirement that any speed trap must be visible and traffic officers operating this equipment may hide if they wish or are instructed to do so. Similarly, whilst it is certainly unethical and unfair for these to be set up on anything other than flat road surfaces, there is nothing that prohibits these from being set up on a downhill or uphill. In fact most speed traps are set up on downhill slopes because the speed limit is the speed limit, uphill, downhill or on a flat.
 The alleged infringer is entitled to be given (not just see) a copy photograph or image of the alleged offence and the traffic authority concerned must do so free of charge...

http://www.publicservant.co.za/traffic_law_18.html
 
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So if the camera is on sand ? like on the side of the freeway is that illegal?
 
Depends if You want to argue:

3. GUIDELINES FOR PROSECUTION WITH REGARD TO SPEED
MEASUREMENTS BY LASER EQUIPMENT

...
3.3. SETTING UP THE DEVICE
3.3.1 The SME shall at all times whilst being operated be mounted on a firm and stable
surface and if mounted in or on a vehicle, the vehicle must be stabilized before the
SME is used.

and if you really feel the ground was unstable.

From Prosecuting Guidelines for Speed Measuring Equipment
 
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