Barcelona vs Chelsea

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Reading all the Barca bashing in the CL thread i decided to start a thread, so pls forgive me. So much to say about the game.

Before i begin i would like to say hard luck to smokey!

Firstly i would like to say that the better team won last night. Lets try to analyse the two legs.

The first leg was totally dominated by Barcelona. Chelsea adopted a tactic which saw them play EXTREMELY defensive. Camping 10 players in their box and having 25% possession at a time. They managed 1 SHOT On target. Yes, ONLY 1!!!!!! Which came through pure luck (Marquez not clearing the ball).

Later in the match, Essien clearly pulled Henry down in the box. The ref waved his hands and said NO PENALTY. I was up in arms, but in football this happens. Barcelona were unlucky not to score. Chelsea went away feeling good about their game plan, Barca on the other hand were saying that the ref never handled the game correctly.

Which i agree, the ref in the first leg favoured Chelsea, it was clear. Chelsea fouled Barca more than 20 times compared to Barca's 7 fouls. It was clear Chelsea was not their to play football, they wanted a draw and they kicked, pushed and stopped play as much as they could.

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Then the second leg. Barca had a big problem with their center of defence completely missing (Puyol and Marquez). They were forced to use a central midfielder as a defender and give a 20 year old Busquets the start of his life!

Again the ref was poor. I always knew it would take a miracle strike to knock Barca out of the CL and thats what Chelsea got. Essien's volley was BRILLIANT. I loved IT! What a GOAL!!! It came off the first touch Chelsea had of the ball oddly enough.

After the goal Barca continued to dominate possession. Im sorry but to have 29% possession on your home ground is just pathetic and not good enough for a semi final. Chelsea never touched the ball. It become very clear Chelsea's tactics again.

It was to defend with 10 men behind the ball, when they did get the ball, the idea was to boot it up field in the hopes that Drogba would out muscle the Barca defence. It worked on a few occassions. But still it wasnt good enough.

Barca were cheated into playing with 10 men. Abidal sent off for what??? Evidence that the ref was having a poor night. Barca had 10 men yet Chelsea still camped 10 players behind the ball in order to stop Barcelona from attacking.

And then a controversial penalty appeal. A biased supporter would say that it was not a penalty cos Pique doesnt play the ball, the ball plays the hand. Be that the case i still think it could/should have been given. Chelsea were unlucky. I think it could have been given easily. When it wasnt given my mind drifted back to last week when Henry's penalty wasnt given. I realised that these things have a way of balancing it out.

That was the only real penalty for me, no other.

Even with 10 men the Barca boys continued with their game plan of passing passing passing - criticised by many for not having a shot on goal. Until in the 92nd minute Iniesta released a WONDER STRIKE that no keeper would ever save.

And finally they had their first shot on target. The Barca bashers are quick to point out that Barca had so much possession but only one shot on target. Yet they forget that Chelsea only had one shot on target at the Camp Nou. The United supporters are also quick to forget that they too had only one shot on target last season that saw them beat Barcelona.

So before you BASH BARCA, they have proved that they can stand up to any team in World Football, they have shown that English teams fear them, as a result when they play its not a normal game of football cos of the other team being to affraid to commit players foward.

Many question Barca's attack but i applaude Chelsea's defence. Even tho they played like an away side twice, it was their defensive minded football that saw them hold out to the very last minute. It was Catenaccio stuff that would have had Helenio Herrera dancing around in his grave

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Now we look foward to Rome where United will face Barca. United have a very tough decision to make.

Defend like Chelsea and rely on long balls like last night.

OR

Attack Barca and see how they handle it. Somehow i think they wont attack and will adopt the Chelsea approach for fear of letting Barca play their game. They dictated the Chelsea game over both legs, imagine if Chelsea were to push foward and try to score. I doubt anybody would be questioning Messi's, Eto or Henry's ability then.

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My apologies for the long post.
 
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I can't belive I waited two days for that post. Seriously? Pfft...

**Note: I will give a better answer, as soon as I finish the movie I started.
 
Yo.

You had all the possession but had 1 shot on target the whole match? Come on even you have to admit that use got k@k lucky last night. There was 2 clear cut penalties V Barca lastnight. I think J. Terry was right when he said that there is a conspiracy against English clubs.

Possession don't count for nothing if you don't make any chances.

Barca was piss poor and didn't deserve to go through.
 
Good and Fair assessment Genius.

My quick assessment:

Barcelona impressed me with there attacking play in both legs, they were clearly trying to win than containing the game and relying on mistakes, they actually went out trying to get a goal. Chelsea went about it by soaking up the play, containing and then relying on Barcelona to make mistakes.

It could of gone anyway but I think it went the fair way with the team that stuck their necks out and actually tried to win it.

Barcelona impressed me further with their pressing when they didn't have the ball, they surprised me actually. Whenever Chelsea got the ball, the Barcelona players were all over the Chelsea players (the english way of defending) which I think was the key to their success. Chelsea could of been more of a threat if they were allowed to have time on the ball.

Genius, as I said on another thread, let this be a lesson to Barcelona that when they come across a good team like Chelsea who will be able to congest their defense, then they need to be able to vary their attack. I thought their crossing and movement on the flanks was average. They can't always expect to go through the middle all the time. they need to adapt.

Chelsea were out of order after the final whistle. Everyone gets decisions against them, grow up.

Well done Barcelona and heres hoping they stuff those Mancs.
 
Yo.

You had all the possession but had 1 shot on target the whole match? Come on even you have to admit that use got k@k lucky last night. There was 2 clear cut penalties V Barca lastnight. I think J. Terry was right when he said that there is a conspiracy against English clubs.

Possession don't count for nothing if you don't make any chances.

Barca was piss poor and didn't deserve to go through.

Cept for the conspiracy part, I have to agree. I would have expected the 'best attacking team in the world ever ever' to at least manage ONE shot on goal over the 90 minutes, even if Chelsea were, er, defending a lot.
 
Chelsea defended last night I agree but were they troubled at any point? Hell No...
 
Quick question @ Genius.

Why is Messi always off he's game against the EPL Teams?
 
No time to post now. Have to be off.

Look foward to discussing this topic tomorrow.
 
16 Conclusions From Chelsea v Barcelona
Posted 07/05/09 11:35


A disgrace you say, Didier? You couldn't be more right...

- 'Karma' is the new 'Men v Boys'.

- Don't let anyone tell you that this was a victory for football. A final featuring Barcelona may be preferable to a repeat of last year's - and it could even be said that Chelsea's demise was a necessary sacrifice in order to pacify the growing agitation on the continent against the power and dominance of the Premier League - but the means did not edify the end. Matches of this import should not be determined by the vagaries and inaccuracy of officialdom and last night's conclusion, while fantastic theatre, was made unsatisfactory by the wretchedness of Tom Henning Ovrebo's decision-making.

- But don't let anyone tell you either that his mistakes were the product of a UEFA conspiracy to break the Premier League's dominance. The give-away to his errors being the result of general incompetence rather than anything more sinister was the dismissal of Eric Abidal after Nicolas Anelka clipped his own heels. Bottom line: Chelsea played against ten men for 25 minutes and lost that game within a game 1-0.

- The problem with criticising the appointment of a Norwegian referee and concluding he lacks the big-match experience to take charge of a Champions League semi-final is the implied flip-side that referees from England, Spain, Italy or wherever would boast omniscience due to the superiority of their own country's league. Are we forgetting the weekly complaints levelled against whistle-blowers in the Premier League, Serie A and Primera Liga?

- Of greater interest is the complaint made by John Terry that Ovrebo lacked the necessary experience for his appointment having only previously refereed ten Champions League matches - though the England captain's figures could be well wide of the mark.

- A second problem is that both of the two linesman - Geir Holen and Dag Nebben - at Stamford Bridge were compatriots of Ovrebo in line with UEFA's belief that the 'refereeing team' should be entirely exclusive to one country. The considerable flaw with that theory is that, barring a statistical improbability, the linesmen on duty are unlikely to be the best of their profession. There's absolutely no reason to assume or believe that the appointment of either Holen or Dag Nebben was based on anything but the coincidence of their nationality. That can't be right and the two major wrongs of last night - the Didier Drogba 'penalty' in the first half and Abidal's dismissal in the second - were made erroneously when the two linesmen possessed the best views of both incidents of anyone within Stamford Bridge. Dear UEFA, worth dwelling on perhaps?

- Three of the four semi-finalists scored with their first shot on target. It's a consistently remarkable thing just how high the ratio of shots on target to goals actually is. If it were possible to run the experiment of having the top ten keepers in the country experiencing precisely the same matches with precisely the same incidents then a reasonable expectation is that the difference in goals scored would be less than five. Maybe.

- Who knew that Michael Ballack could run so fast?

- Michael Essien's goal via a left-footed volley was a once-in-a-lifetime fluke. For proof, see his air-shot with his left foot in the build-up to Barcelona's equaliser.

- Andres Iniesta 's equaliser was a bad result for Everton as it leaves the FA Cup final as Chelsea's only focus for the rest of the season (mathematically, they can still be overtaken in the league by Arsenal, and the gap could be halved at the Emirates this weekend, but London leapfrogging does seem unlikely given that the Gunners have to travel to Old Trafford in their penultimate game). Had Chelsea reached Rome, the final would have been a three-day afterthought.

- If only one reason can be given for why Manchester United should be pleased that Barca rather than Chelsea have progressed to the final then it is the fact that three regular members of the Spaniards' defence - Alves, Abidal and Marquez - will not be available in Rome.

- Barcelona's best and almost only defence at Stamford Bridge was possession. On the few occasions that Chelsea took hold of the ball in the Barcelona half they nearly always threatened to score. If United's share of possession in Rome is near parity, then Ronaldo and Rooney could run riot.

- The irony of Didier Drogba's post-match outburst - "it's a f**king disgrace" -wasn't that it was he who was the disgrace or even that Sky apparently mistakenly beeped out "disgrace" in their first replay rather than the Ivorian's invective. No, the irony was that the Chelsea player losing the plot as he blamed the referee for their exit was the Chelsea player most to blame for their exit. But for an appalling piece of control in the opening two minutes, his spurned double chance in the Nou Camp, and inadequate finish in the second half at Stamford Bridge, Chelsea would have progressed regardless of Ovrebo's inadequacies.

- The outstanding feature of Lionel Messi's display wasn't his close control - which was flawless and it was notable that, in a task that generally defeats Cristiano Ronaldo, he skinned Ashley Cole whenever he wasn't surrounded by other blue shirts - but his persistence. A big talent and a big heart.

- It wasn't knee-jerk on Wednesday morning to confer on Ronaldo the status of the world's best footballer because there is no better or more suitable barometer of such matters than performances on the biggest of occasions. Drogba's profligacy should see him demoted in the list of modern-day greats, but any criticisms of Messi ought to be tempered by an appreciation of the difficulty of combating triple marking. He doesn't posses the capacity of Ronaldo to turn a match with a single lash of the boot but he should not be under-estimated or under-appreciated just because he was muted by the mass of Chelsea or overshadowed this week by Ronaldo's pyrotechnics.

- Sometimes, 16 is just one too many.

Pete Gill
http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8742_5293137,00.html

Some interesting comments. I don't agree with all of them (Ronaldo has been double-marked ever since last season. Triple-marking is a joke), but I thought I'd post it either way.
 
And just for the sake of completeness...

I`d Have Given Two Penalties...
Posted 07/05/09 14:30



So, after a game which was effectively over inside a quarter of an hour and included one contentious decision, all dials were turned up to eleven at Stamford Bridge.

It wasn't the greatest game of all time, but for sheer theatre, drama and controversy, it was simply sensational.

For games of such import I watch and make the odd note, just in case I need to scribe something the following day. On Wednesday night, I had to fetch a new notebook.

Some are saying it was one of the worst refereeing performances they have ever seen. Perhaps an exaggeration, but Tom Henning Ovrebo certainly didn't cover himself in glory. That being said, I think I could offer one or two crumbs of explanation for a couple of decisions.

I don't like to do this column using a bullet-point system, but there is so much to get through that prose seems inappropriate, and I'll take matters into consideration one by one.

We should probably start with the penalties.



1. Florent Malouda
The first major shout saw Florent Malouda pulled over on the flank, with the referee awarding a free-kick to Chelsea. Replays appeared to indicate that the foul took place inside the area. I'd suggest that the decision was incorrect, and that it was a penalty. However, I can offer a more detailed explanation than they did on TV.

If you take a look at the incident from a few angles, you can see that the contact which ultimately drags the French winger down takes place right on the line of the area. On the line is in, so it's a penalty, but it's close.

There were several elements of contact before the final act which could have been a foul. If you pause the video as Malouda turns inside, there is contact outside the area. The contact stops, then starts again on the line. However, the Law book states. 'If a defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty area and continues holding him inside the penalty area, the referee must award a penalty kick.'

The only defence I could have for the ref is that he thinks it takes place outside and Malouda falls in, but he's wrong. It's a penalty. Poor decision.



2. Didier Drogba
This is a slow-motion penalty. What I mean by that is that watching it in real-time I didn't think it was a foul, but when you see the replays, you realise that there is a case.

To be fair, I wouldn't blame the referee for not giving a spot-kick here, for three main reasons. One is that although there is a shirt pull, it is minimal, and does not affect Drogba's momentum. I understand that technically it constitutes a foul, but it was very quick and if we want to start getting picky on everything we'll be here all day.

There is a minor nudge which again can be seen more on slo-mo, and the third tangible would be that it's Didier Drogba. I know officials shouldn't have pre-conceived ideas, but the guy goes down so easily it's hard to judge anything he does now.

Possibly a technical penalty, but you must judge these things in practise. The ref gets one go, and at first look I would have said no. I still might. No complaints about this one.



3. Gerard Pique
This is the most blatant. The ball is struck across the former Manchester United defender and whacks him on the hand. The guy even said as much in an interview after the game.

If you are stood with your arms outstretched like this and the ball hits it - and it wasn't like it was from two yards away - then you have to give a spot-kick. Unlike the previous Drogba example, I shouted 'penalty' from my sofa straight away, and for me this was the worst example of the missed penalty decisions.



4. Samuel Eto'o
Not a penalty in a million years. It hits him incredibly high up on the arm, and he is turning back and using his arm to protect his face. This was the one that sent them over the edge, but to me it was the accumulation of other frustrations that did so. Michael Ballack was lucky to escape with a booking for his harassment of the official.


Onto other matters...



- Dani Alves' booking
Forgotten about in the context of a hectic game, but one of the best attacking full-backs in Europe will miss the final for picking up a second booking, and it was really, really harsh.

He basically jumped into Ashley Cole, and although it was a foul, there was no dangerous play or malice in the jump. Cole turned away from the challenge, making things look far worse. There were similar or worse challenges in the game which did not earn a caution. A real shame that a really good player will miss out on a huge game.



- Eric Abidal's sending off
Really, really harsh from where I'm standing. There may be a tiny piece of contact as Anelka runs across Abidal, but the main reason the Chelsea forward falls down is because his own legs get entangled.

I feel a little for the official because it is another of those decisions where, like with Darren Fletcher, a foul means a red card. However, in these situations the key is to be certain about giving a decision of such magnitude. I fail to see how he can be certain, since Abidal doesn't even break his stride to deliberately fell Anelka. If Anelka clips him having simply run into him that's not a foul. If Anelka falls over his own feet, it's not a foul.

I don't think Anelka dived at all, and there may have been contact between the two men, but for me it was purely accidental, and another player misses the final harshly.


Just a couple of other factors to comment on quickly...



- Platini's agenda against another all-English final
Nonsense as far as I am concerned. This is only being mentioned because Barcelona got a result. If Iniesta spoons the ball over the bar and Chelsea win 1-0 then no-one even mentions that UEFA have it in for the Prem teams and we wander off to Rome thinking thoughts of Moscow's awesome final last year. The ref had a bad game, but not because he was being leaned on. If he is helping Barca out, then he doesn't send off a defender with 25 minutes to go.



- The referee's nationality
There were complaints by a few pundits about the fact that the referee was from Norway, and that we wouldn't take charge of games of this magnitude often enough. I think that is a very sound, logical statement on the surface, but not when you start digging.

Let's not forget that until being forced to retire, one of the best refs in Europe was Lubos Michel of Slovakia. How big is the Slovakian league? Not as good as even the Norwegian one, I wouldn't think.

I thought the referee in the game last week at Old Trafford between Manchester United and Arsenal was very good. His nationality? Danish. And then there was Jamie Redknapp's assertion that a ref from one of the best leagues in Europe should have taken charge. He then mentioned an Italian ref as an example. Like Roberto Rosetti who made the big Fletcher howler, Jamie?

I have said before that I think that the best referees from across Europe (indeed, the world) should ply their trade in the best leagues, but to dismiss last night's official as rubbish because he is from Norway is plain ignorance. He just had a bad night.



- Henry's penalty claim last week
I'm not crazy about attacking Chelsea's moans with the counter-claim that Henry should have a penalty in the Nou Camp, but I'd use it to make mention of the fact that it seems odd to me that both legs are officiated by different referees. Why doesn't the same man who took charge of the first leg not do the second as well? After all, it is essentially one game split over two venues. I think this would greatly help the cause all round.



- Drogba's post match antics
I thought it was a disgrace. I thought it was shocking. I thought it was deplorable.

But mostly, I thought it was very, very funny.

Rob McNichol
http://www.football365.com/referee365/0,17033,8747_5293804,00.html
 
He's gonna discuss this tomorrow? Oxymoron :rolleyes:

He was too afraid to post in that other thread. Barca sucks donkey bawlz ;) I'm looking forward to my team thrashing your team in 3 week's time :)
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/chelsea/5289907/Chelsea-v-Barcelona-Uefa-dismiss-conspiracy-theory-over-Norwegian-referee.html

Chelsea v Barcelona: Referee Tom Henning Ovrebo smuggled out of country after threats


The referee of Chelsea's contentious Champions League semi-final against Barcelona, Tom Henning Ovrebo, had to be smuggled out of Britain under police guard last night after a series of death threats, according to former official Graham Poll.

Ovrebo has reportedly become the target of furious Chelsea supporters, after the Norwegian denied Guus Hiddink's men a series of penalties that would have secured them victory and a place in the Rome final with Manchester United.

At the end of yesterday's Stamford Bridge clash, which finished 1-1 thanks to Andres Iniesta's last-gasp equaliser, Ovrebo was targeted by Chelsea players - most notably Didier Drogba and Michael Ballack - who confronted the referee, with Drogba caught on camera hurling a tirade of abuse in the 42-year-old's direction, calling him "a f*****g disgrace".

Due to the animosity generated by players and fans alike, police grew increasingly concerned about Ovrebo's safety and were forced to change his hotel before organising a secret exit from the country.

Poll told Radio Four: “This morning he's being smuggled out of our country under police escort - this is a referee of a football match. That is a disgrace.

“When he booked in a hotel they had to change the hotel he was staying at because of the fear that maybe fans would find him.

“When you see players acting like that, fans are called fans because they are fanatics - they may feel it's time to take action themselves.”

Poll believes the behaviour of Drogba and Ballack was “a dreadful display of petulance”, and blasted the stewards at Chelsea for failing to step in quickly enough to protect the referee. “Players should show some restraint. They should show some respect,” he added.

According to the London Evening Standard, police in Ovrebo's home city of Oslo are even investigating threats made on the internet towards the referee, with message boards displaying his home address, including warnings that fans will “hunt him” and “kill him”.

An Oslo police spokesman said: “We are watching closely what is being posted on the internet. Anything we believe would threaten his personal safety will be taken seriously.”

Unfortunately, it is not the first time Chelsea fans have turned on an official in such a manner. Anders Frisk, a Swedish referee who officiated Barcelona's 2-1 win over Chelsea at the Nou Camp back in Feb 2005, when Jose Mourinho was in charge, had a campaign of intimidation directed at him and eventually quit as a referee.

At the time Frisk said: "I have been subjected to things that I couldn't even imagine.

"I love to referee and I have done it since 1978, but what has happened to me means it is not worth continuing. I won't ever go out on a football pitch again. I am too scared. It is not worth it. Unfortunately that is the way football looks in 2005. I've had enough. I don't know if I even dare let my kids go to the post office."

Uefa have been criticised for putting Ovrebo in charge of such an important match, especially as he has previously made mistakes in a big game.

At Euro 2008 he refereed Italy's 1-1 draw with Romania, awarding the Romanians a dubious penalty and incorrectly ruling out a Italian goal. After the match, he apologised for his mistakes and did not take charge of another game during the competition.

John Terry and Guus Hiddink were both infuriated that Ovrebo had been allowed to officiate last night's encounter, with Terry saying "Why did we get a referee who has officiated in 10 games in the Champions League in his career? To be given the Champions League semi-final, that's not good enough."

Hiddink was equally scathing, adding: "If you've seen the three or four (penalty) situations waved away, this is the worst refereeing performance I've ever seen."

Chelsea and their fans are a disgrace, it's the second time they've done this, pathetic.

BTW smokey, I don't doubt you, you're a good lad.;)
 
hes incompetent anyway and shouldnt be officiating games so a win win for everyone
 
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