Be carefull of Infinitcall.....

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I had been wanting to get ADSL for some time but had decided not to due to the cost and 3GB cap. I decide to rather get ISDN with Infinitcall and this is my sad story.......

I use both 64K ISDN channels (128K), which as you probably all know constitutes 2 calls at the same time and I have learnt a very hard lesson with Infinitcall. During December I was on leave and connected to the Internet almost everynight after 7PM.

The mistake I made was only disconnecting sometime after 7AM the next morning, with the assumption that normal rates would apply from 7AM until time of disconnection.
It turns out that Assumptions really are the mother of all Fxxk Ups, especially when you get a bill from Telkom for R3000.00, Which is exactly what happend.

On going to my nearest Telkom office I was politely told by the lady behind the counter that the rules actually state that you must disconnect before 7AM or you are charged the full rate for the entire call i.e. from 7PM previous evening. I was absolutely gobsmacked.

After regaining my composure and asking her to show me where in the rules it actually stated this, she fumbled through some pages and eventually conceded that she could not find anything stating this as the rule.
I then asked how I could dispute this and hence the bill I received. I was told that as this was the rule (undocumented it seems) there was nothing I could do except pay the account. After some argument I left, as it was getting me nowhere.

The next day I phoned Telkom and asked to speak to someone senior only to be told exactly the same thing.

It seems my only option is to pay the R3000.00, even though I feel that Telkom have deliberatly failed to advise me and probably others of this so called RULE.

So Guys, If you are using Infinitcall....Be very carefull and disconnect by 6.50 AM.

I would be interested to know if anyone else has had a similar problem or experience with Infinitcall.
 
This is not true, Telkom seem to have made an isolated error on your account.

Sometimes I connect at about 6:55 etc and get charged for a 5min phone call + R7 separately - this has been so for a long time now.


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Karnaugh: I have done the same, and gotten charged for the 5mins seperate. Although they now charge you 5mins + R8.55 (it's not R7 no more)

Also we connected before the time but dc'd before 7. I can't remember when last i dc'd after 7.

thelink, get a nice little program called "switchoff" from yasoft works like wonders!

..- dot dot dash ;)
 
I have infinit as well, and set my cell for 6:55 every morning, but if these guys thinks that what you have just stated above is legal, I will certainly be very upset - they can't do that.

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Perhaps Infitecall wasnt enabled. Check it out. I would ask for a detailed account. Hammer them. Dont let them get away with it.

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thelink, I have ISDN as well and make use of the Infinitcall option.

I have made use of the 2x64K dialup option on occasions. The one month I got also a back-bone-crusher of a bill. On closer inspection on my ISP hours logged, I noticed that the magic 2nd call could drop and reconnect without one noticing it. This implies a "new" connection/call every time it happens. Now with ISDN that can happen fairly quickly and because the 1st line still stays active, one is totally oblivious of the horror - until the BILL arrives.

I doubt if the Telkom explanation you were given is correct. I have also disconnected more than once in the past after 7am with no penalties.

All I can say is "OUCH".

Personally I can't wait for Sentech to deploy in my area - Viva Sentech!


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Yea what also helps is getting the details of the package off the site, and actualy reading it back to the retarded operator who usualy has less than half a clue of how their own packages work.

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Yeah you deff got the wrong end of the stick there. I have disconed a few mins after 7am often with no massive phone bill, but where the problem does come in is if you CONNECT before 7pm then you can charged full price for the whole call (peak time not even callmore) which happened to me once when I connect at like 6:59:59 (bummer), and it was for the whole weekend aswell.

So yeah it does seam like the did a *special case* on ur ass :/
 
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Before adsl I had infinitecall - or so I thought.
December 1999 I registered for callmore / infinitecall and after
receiving telephonic confirmation - proceeded to use it.
The bills were paid and after about four months at R2500.00 per month figured there must be something wrong.

Infinitecall had not been enabled - I complained, and complained and eventually I got R700.00 credit - this took nearly two years !!
I got itemised billing and calculated that I should have got closer to R4500.00 credit. no luck with these sihts.

Also infinitecall does not apply on public holidays.
 
There is a "consumer court" in some regions. Maybe you could use them.

Try a consumer organisation for help

Or try to get a newspaper's consumer service to take the case.

Anyway - best of luck

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On infinite call I used to get disconnected after 10 hours.
Could never stay connect entire weekend.
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">On going to my nearest Telkom office I was politely told by the lady behind the counter that the rules actually state that you must disconnect before 7AM or you are charged the full rate for the entire call i.e. from 7PM previous evening. I was absolutely gobsmacked.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Well, this USED to be the way they billed it; as others have stated, however, they've billed per separate billing period now for quite a while.

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To my understanding the infinicall rules are clear - Telkom's billing system or exchanges are programmed to, if infinicall is activated, start the infinicall at 19:00 and stop at 07:00 next morning - after which the rest of the call after 07:00 is billed at normal tarrifs.

This sounds like a case where infinicall was not activated - does it appear on the bill?
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">get a nice little program called "switchoff" from yasoft works like wonders!

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Freeek, thanx 4 the heads-up. Nice and simple and small. Thank God 4 the Russians. Nasdarova(or something).

Telkom - South Africa's Handbrake to progress.
 
as far as i know, they are not supposed to bill you for a peak call when you are online during call more time - period. If this has changed they should let everyone know, otherwise things might get messy.

btw, just a reminder that public holidays do NOT fall under call more time the whole day - i found that out the hard way...[:(!]
 
She's talking absolute nonsense. If you look at your telkom bill and you have been charged for Infinitcall you can demand a credit. There were many times I disconnected after 7am and it's always billed seperately. You pay "R7.00" for your time from 7pm to 7am and then the normal metering comes into play. I suggest you speak with someone who actually knows their job. (I hope you got her name so you can lay a formal complaint with Telkom)

Good luck!


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Thanks Guys for all your responses, And believe me I am taking this matter further. The thing that really annoys me is that Telkom have us all by the short and curlies, They are fully aware of this and they use it to their advantage.

It is just proving almost impossible to find anyone at Telkom who will actually listen to my complaint and not respond with the standard response of:

Its too bad, the rules are the rules.

I suppose you cant possibly expect anything more from a monopolistic organisation.
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Its too bad, the rules are the rules.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

This smacks so much of the old regime. One wonders as a friend of mine said yesterday to me and I will quote him. "The broederbond are still in control of Telkom".
I find that hard to believe. But with so many smoke screens around lately, anything is possible.

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