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Pornolio
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For raiding... no
For questing ... for sure
PVP ... Not really. Pet gets nuked down very quickly with PVP burst. BM without pet = easy kill.
What was once the ultimate hunter build is now nothing more than a leveling / questing build. Blizzard have acknowledged they nerfed BM to much, and they will address it in the future. When that is... no idea.
For questing ... for sure
PVP ... Not really. Pet gets nuked down very quickly with PVP burst. BM without pet = easy kill.
What was once the ultimate hunter build is now nothing more than a leveling / questing build. Blizzard have acknowledged they nerfed BM to much, and they will address it in the future. When that is... no idea.
Crowley
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Get a tanacity pet (gorilla or rhino) for questing. They keep aggro like you won't believe.
Have a look here
http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/
Have a look here
http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/
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When i tamed the white gorilla in the cave in ungoro, it didnt have the thunderstomp ability. i couldnt teach it to it either. any ideas how to get the ability?
Quattro my ravager resents that
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like i said, i couldnt teach it to it either. there where you can train natural armor and growl, there is no thunderstomp ability to train. but strange thing is, when i tame another gorilla only 5 feet away, then it has thunderstomp
Pornolio
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Just a quick update on Beast Master Hunters...
Rumours have it, the BM hunter might be a viable raid spec soon. There are some very very nice surprises coming if the dev's pull through with their comments / promises. Allthough it will most likely be a high level gear raiding spec only. 3.2 might just be the return of the BM hunter.
Rumours have it, the BM hunter might be a viable raid spec soon. There are some very very nice surprises coming if the dev's pull through with their comments / promises. Allthough it will most likely be a high level gear raiding spec only. 3.2 might just be the return of the BM hunter.
the_second
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No set bonuses for T9 still favor Surv/Marks highly where serpent sting is more natural to those specs. Either way devs aren't reporting any significant gains to bm/nerfs to MM or Surv. It may become viable but still not the best. Besides last thing I want is to play that boring ass steady shot spam spec again. Surv and marks are a lot more fun to play. When was the last time you heard people say hunters were a faceroll class? A while ago. I'm happy with the increase in skill to set more hunters apart.
Pornolio
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Hmmm i guess you havent been reading a lot online about the BM changes...
Firstly... the tier 9 four piece set bonus is FULL OUT designed for BM. Over 600 AP proc to pet on hits.
Even the 2 piece bonus is very very beneficial for BM.
Also... there was discussions from the dev's that they are aware of the scaling over to pet attributes thats very weak.
The current things they are considering for 3.2 is scaling over of haste + armor penetration. If that goes through... you will see insane DPS from BM hunters should they be kitted out in high end gear.
Also... if you read the 3.2 patch notes you will also see that Expertise would no longer be required for BM hunters that are hit capped. That leaves 2 talent points freed up to spend on other DPS boosting abilities.
If ArP scales over to pet... with the amount of autshots a hasted BM fires... I am expecting massive increases... but like I said in my earlier posts, you need pretty extensive Ulduar ArP kit before it becomes viable.
Firstly... the tier 9 four piece set bonus is FULL OUT designed for BM. Over 600 AP proc to pet on hits.
Even the 2 piece bonus is very very beneficial for BM.
Also... there was discussions from the dev's that they are aware of the scaling over to pet attributes thats very weak.
The current things they are considering for 3.2 is scaling over of haste + armor penetration. If that goes through... you will see insane DPS from BM hunters should they be kitted out in high end gear.
Also... if you read the 3.2 patch notes you will also see that Expertise would no longer be required for BM hunters that are hit capped. That leaves 2 talent points freed up to spend on other DPS boosting abilities.
If ArP scales over to pet... with the amount of autshots a hasted BM fires... I am expecting massive increases... but like I said in my earlier posts, you need pretty extensive Ulduar ArP kit before it becomes viable.
the_second
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To me its just annoying that Arp mostly applies to physical shots which is why hunters don't stack it.And to sacrifice other stats in favor of haste and Arp ends up being cumbersome and a total shift in gear.
Hunter T9 2P Bonus - The damage done by your Serpent Sting ability can now be critical strikes. ---- Non Arp or haste based. More AP, crit, agil.
Hunter T9 4P Bonus - Each time you hit with a ranged attack, you have a chance to grant your pet 600 attack power for 15 sec. ---- This is just like the amazing T7 cryptstalker 2 piece which was still great for MM and Surv.
Overall there is not a lot of testing on BM at this stage to have anything conclusive. I'll wait until it is proven but still something we do know is that if its typical SS spam do you really want to go back to that?
Hunter T9 2P Bonus - The damage done by your Serpent Sting ability can now be critical strikes. ---- Non Arp or haste based. More AP, crit, agil.
Hunter T9 4P Bonus - Each time you hit with a ranged attack, you have a chance to grant your pet 600 attack power for 15 sec. ---- This is just like the amazing T7 cryptstalker 2 piece which was still great for MM and Surv.
Overall there is not a lot of testing on BM at this stage to have anything conclusive. I'll wait until it is proven but still something we do know is that if its typical SS spam do you really want to go back to that?
Pornolio
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No but what you are overlooking is the obvious...
As a BM - What is your main damage shot... autoshots... what does ArP benefit, autoshots. Whats your second highest damaging shot as BM... Steady shot... again ArP benefits those shots.
All your pet attacks are physical ... meaning ArP would be insanely valuable for your pet, unless you sit with a worthless spirit beast. Yes ArP is pretty useless if you are a survival hunter since most of your damage comes from Explosive shot / firedamage.
The two piece set bonus would be insanely valuable for a BM since in order for you to do 10% more damage on your steadies, you need serpent up... now having serpent up the whole time and its ticking with possible crits, is nothing to sneeze at. Now 10% damage boost on a shot thats directly affected by ArP is pretty big stuff. I really suggest you have a look at ArP again.
At higher gear levels, it overtakes agility as no1 favourable stat to aim for.
MM hunters like myself are seeing insane benefits from it since my no1 damaging shot is autoshot. Having grim toll proc with very high ArP stats = shheeeewww what da hell just happened there ?
Ok as for the whole macro one button bashing thing... you clearly have it out of context. The only reason the Macro made for one button mashing was because of class mechanics. The macro was purely intented to help with autoshot clipping. That has been removed... Anyone raiding ulduar would know just how pet unfriendly it can be... so micro management of your pet would become a core part of your dps. You become more and more reliant on your pet once you start doing hardmodes... having your pet's survivability up on bosses like thorim hardmode becomes insanely valuable when you need abilities like masters call to get you out of the Siff's ice storms.
I found BM a lot more intensive since you have to think for your pet and yourself. In a instance like Ulduar it would be very very tricky imo.
As a BM - What is your main damage shot... autoshots... what does ArP benefit, autoshots. Whats your second highest damaging shot as BM... Steady shot... again ArP benefits those shots.
All your pet attacks are physical ... meaning ArP would be insanely valuable for your pet, unless you sit with a worthless spirit beast. Yes ArP is pretty useless if you are a survival hunter since most of your damage comes from Explosive shot / firedamage.
The two piece set bonus would be insanely valuable for a BM since in order for you to do 10% more damage on your steadies, you need serpent up... now having serpent up the whole time and its ticking with possible crits, is nothing to sneeze at. Now 10% damage boost on a shot thats directly affected by ArP is pretty big stuff. I really suggest you have a look at ArP again.
At higher gear levels, it overtakes agility as no1 favourable stat to aim for.
MM hunters like myself are seeing insane benefits from it since my no1 damaging shot is autoshot. Having grim toll proc with very high ArP stats = shheeeewww what da hell just happened there ?
Ok as for the whole macro one button bashing thing... you clearly have it out of context. The only reason the Macro made for one button mashing was because of class mechanics. The macro was purely intented to help with autoshot clipping. That has been removed... Anyone raiding ulduar would know just how pet unfriendly it can be... so micro management of your pet would become a core part of your dps. You become more and more reliant on your pet once you start doing hardmodes... having your pet's survivability up on bosses like thorim hardmode becomes insanely valuable when you need abilities like masters call to get you out of the Siff's ice storms.
I found BM a lot more intensive since you have to think for your pet and yourself. In a instance like Ulduar it would be very very tricky imo.
the_second
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Hey I'm not disagreeing with you one bit. But you hit the nail right there. Auto shot and steady shot. Yay that sounds like fun to play. And not macrod, I didn't care for SS macro especially after it was unlinked to auto shot. Managing pets is never difficult if you're smart about it. If your pet dies as any class your dps goes down big time. Just because 'you care more' for your adventure buddy doesn't mean you need more skill to manage it. Any of the top hunters will do their best to manage their pets. Thats the bottom line. BUT if you still think BM is harder to play than MM and Surv then hey can't change your opinion on that.
Pornolio
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Well yes and no... its a lot more to it than just auto + steady. You know how reliant we as the hunter class have become on dot timers + macro'ing trinkets + racials at selective periods in time. 
As MM / Surv hunter if your pet dies, screw it you dont bother with rezzing him. You loose more dps from rezzing him than just continuing to nuke on.
I found BM required more "involvement". You had to keep an eye out for Boss AOE / abilities and think about pulling your pet out at times... But then again, the game mechanics have changed so much since the old TBC macro bashing hunter class.
Its ironic how they said originally from the dev's "Hunters should be using their pets more... its a core critical part of what makes their class" So they nerfed it to hell and gone, and now we are exactly where we were pre TBC.
Oh well, you are right that nothing is concrete and confirmed yet... hence my original post suggested nothing more than a "potential" comeback for the BM hunter. Personally I would love to see 3 viable hunter raiding spec's. Currently we dont have that. Having that 3% damage buff raid wide on top of a MM hunters 's TSA + survival hunters replenishment would all add up nicely. Lets wait and see what 3.2 will bring... I am closely watching all the feedback from the blueposts and the way the dev's are thinking in terms of changing our class again... All I meant to say is, having something like ArP scale over to our pets will have massive improvements for us.
As MM / Surv hunter if your pet dies, screw it you dont bother with rezzing him. You loose more dps from rezzing him than just continuing to nuke on.
I found BM required more "involvement". You had to keep an eye out for Boss AOE / abilities and think about pulling your pet out at times... But then again, the game mechanics have changed so much since the old TBC macro bashing hunter class.
Its ironic how they said originally from the dev's "Hunters should be using their pets more... its a core critical part of what makes their class" So they nerfed it to hell and gone, and now we are exactly where we were pre TBC.
Oh well, you are right that nothing is concrete and confirmed yet... hence my original post suggested nothing more than a "potential" comeback for the BM hunter. Personally I would love to see 3 viable hunter raiding spec's. Currently we dont have that. Having that 3% damage buff raid wide on top of a MM hunters 's TSA + survival hunters replenishment would all add up nicely. Lets wait and see what 3.2 will bring... I am closely watching all the feedback from the blueposts and the way the dev's are thinking in terms of changing our class again... All I meant to say is, having something like ArP scale over to our pets will have massive improvements for us.
the_second
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"You know how reliant we as the hunter class have become on dot timers + macro'ing trinkets + racials at selective periods in time." This applies to all hunters. Beyond 'being more concerned for your pet' what else makes BM more challenging vs the other two?
And its true if your pet dies keep nuking but the prime goal is still to keep your pet alive. My pet is still just as important as anything that can nerf dps. I'll still cry about it big time. Maybe BM will cry more hey.
But you're right spec diversity is important. Its just the last thing I want is for blizz to make things easier and let hunters get a bad rep. They just roll into emelon (don't need to manage pet), get 8k dps with bad gear and walk away thinking they conquered the world.
And its true if your pet dies keep nuking but the prime goal is still to keep your pet alive. My pet is still just as important as anything that can nerf dps. I'll still cry about it big time. Maybe BM will cry more hey.
But you're right spec diversity is important. Its just the last thing I want is for blizz to make things easier and let hunters get a bad rep. They just roll into emelon (don't need to manage pet), get 8k dps with bad gear and walk away thinking they conquered the world.
Pornolio
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Well I am not saying BM is harder to play than the other 2 spec's... but I am defending it against your claims that its a faceroll nub spec. Its far from that.
Your pet does more than 50% of your total damage, so having him die cripples a BM hunter to the bottom of the DPS meters.
Lets be honest... healers dont really care a lot about pets... sometimes they do .... but most of the times they dont... player > pet always. So as BM you end being MR pet healer as well, keeping an eye on your mana levels, your pets HP + focus levels + pulling your pet out healing him up, sending him back in... timing BW with boss abilities and at the same time worry about your own DPS contribution.
Survival is harder than BM, no denying it... but survival is also a lot more punishing on our latency as well.
Your pet does more than 50% of your total damage, so having him die cripples a BM hunter to the bottom of the DPS meters.
Lets be honest... healers dont really care a lot about pets... sometimes they do .... but most of the times they dont... player > pet always. So as BM you end being MR pet healer as well, keeping an eye on your mana levels, your pets HP + focus levels + pulling your pet out healing him up, sending him back in... timing BW with boss abilities and at the same time worry about your own DPS contribution.
Survival is harder than BM, no denying it... but survival is also a lot more punishing on our latency as well.
I will be back to BM in a heartbeat if the changes goes through! I enjoyed every moment of playing BM, even though I found it easier to play compared to MM or survival, I enjoyed the game 100% more!
Latency is simply killing any fun I get from SV or MM
It was also the reason why I switched from Mage to hunter when I moved from Europe back to SA.
Latency is simply killing any fun I get from SV or MM
It was also the reason why I switched from Mage to hunter when I moved from Europe back to SA.Pornolio
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Well lets see what happens werries
Just remember playing BM in WOTLK will be nothing like the old 1:1 / 3:2 rotation playing style... Its now a lot more about watching crappy dot timers and ensuring you get every steady shot in while the serpent is ticking, your pet doesnt pull unwanted mobs... the General Vezax trash mobs room brings shivers to my spine.
Its all speculation at this point in time, but at least the dev's have acknowledged they destroyed the BM talent build... If this ArP / Haste scaling goes through... it might be good for us !
Just remember playing BM in WOTLK will be nothing like the old 1:1 / 3:2 rotation playing style... Its now a lot more about watching crappy dot timers and ensuring you get every steady shot in while the serpent is ticking, your pet doesnt pull unwanted mobs... the General Vezax trash mobs room brings shivers to my spine.
Its all speculation at this point in time, but at least the dev's have acknowledged they destroyed the BM talent build... If this ArP / Haste scaling goes through... it might be good for us !