Because Wizard said it was not possible

why would someone say 212ms is not possible ?
 
lol, nice latency. Who you using? I dont know if you remember, but I was corrected in the thread that I made the assumption... weeks ago, but I guess you didnt read that :D

I honestly think my nickname is in more thread titles than any other poster :D
 
h0ll0w said:
why would someone say 212ms is not possible ?
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distance form SA to Blizzard Servers + speed of electricity ( almost the same as light in near perfect conditions ) + the latency induced by every repeater in the fibre between here and there.....

Its fractions of seconds, but in totals amounts to 150-200 ms ( depending on conditions of course ) BEFORE taking local newtork conditions ( congestion, QOS, etc ) into account
 
w1z4rd said:
lol, nice latency. Who you using? I dont know if you remember, but I was corrected in the thread that I made the assumption... weeks ago, but I guess you didnt read that :D

I honestly think my nickname is in more thread titles than any other poster :D
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Axxess Express+ with gamepath, in particular path201, as my server is located in paris. The last few weeks have been great for raiding, but a few weeks back it was beyond terrible. All my accounts where extremely laggy, then it just stopped.
 
dont worry Blizzard will fix hunter at 85. Not now but then. All we can do is suck some more :D
 
Obelix said:
distance form SA to Blizzard Servers + speed of electricity ( almost the same as light in near perfect conditions ) + the latency induced by every repeater in the fibre between here and there.....

Its fractions of seconds, but in totals amounts to 150-200 ms ( depending on conditions of course ) BEFORE taking local newtork conditions ( congestion, QOS, etc ) into account
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lol, do you even know how electricity works ?

Besides, if my response time to a UK based host is 170 - 180ms, 212ms is a perfectly possible number to a wow server in Paris, especially when using a proxy service.
 
h0ll0w said:
lol, do you even know how electricity works ?

Besides, if my response time to a UK based host is 170 - 180ms, 212ms is a perfectly possible number to a wow server in Paris, especially when using a proxy service.
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Actually the amount of hops to the destination server can be extreme, and all it takes is one laggy link to mess it up. Tracer route latency and ping results are not the same as in game latency. You are sending 64 packets in ping. In wow the packets are much larger than that. So a slower connection can be lagged. Furthermore without the proxy service my hops to my realm are over 22, while the hops to the proxy server are 9.
 
I play with around 250 - 300ms with no proxy servers.

I use axxess unshapped which costs R119.00 per Gig. Expensive but worth it. My Axxess Express+ account gives me around 350ms which is not bad either but its not a stable 350ms. It usually jumps to around 400ms at times.
 
Sigh :(

I remember a time when I could raid with 250ms constant. These days I DC in BG's even.
 
semaphore said:
Actually the amount of hops to the destination server can be extreme, and all it takes is one laggy link to mess it up. Tracer route latency and ping results are not the same as in game latency. You are sending 64 packets in ping. In wow the packets are much larger than that. So a slower connection can be lagged. Furthermore without the proxy service my hops to my realm are over 22, while the hops to the proxy server are 9.
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That goes without saying.

All I'm saying that its a little foolish to state, as a matter of fact, that latency as low as yours is impossible.

Obelix I know basically nothing about electricity, but what I remember from 10 years ago in school made me think "the speed of electricity" is a little harder than that to define very clearly.
 
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To chip into the "speed of electricity" argument - why is it applicable!? The greater part of the physical path between us and France is fibre, which means that you look at the speed of light. Furthermore, the greater part of the latency will actually be because of routers in the path, each of which has to look at the packet headers to decide where it should go (to simplify things a bit). If you have a few router hops (which you will have, look at a tracert), you add significant latency.

When looking at the speed of electricity, what are you looking at? The speed of the EM wave, which is quite fast, or the speed of the electrons themselves, which is relatively slow? Both can be determined quite easily, but will not be constant over the connection. The speed of the EM wave will be different on your ADSL line than on a FE/GE line, because they operate on different frequencies.
 
Internet data travel at about 200 000 km/s on either copper cable or fiber optic cable. The Distance from Johannesburg to Paris (directly as the crow flies) is 8686 km.
8686 km / 200 000km/s = 0.043 s or 43ms ;)

So in a perfect world 43ms would be the absolute minimum? Unfortunately no direct connection between JHB and Paris, no perfectly working cable, no perfectly working ISP/modem/PC/etc.
 
Tacet said:
To chip into the "speed of electricity" argument - why is it applicable!? The greater part of the physical path between us and France is fibre, which means that you look at the speed of light. Furthermore, the greater part of the latency will actually be because of routers in the path, each of which has to look at the packet headers to decide where it should go (to simplify things a bit). If you have a few router hops (which you will have, look at a tracert), you add significant latency.

When looking at the speed of electricity, what are you looking at? The speed of the EM wave, which is quite fast, or the speed of the electrons themselves, which is relatively slow? Both can be determined quite easily, but will not be constant over the connection. The speed of the EM wave will be different on your ADSL line than on a FE/GE line, because they operate on different frequencies.
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Light in the fibre does not move at the speed of light (in a vacuum). The fiber have a high density slowing the light down + the light does not move in a straight line but bounces off the walls.
 
Tacet said:
To chip into the "speed of electricity" argument - why is it applicable!? The greater part of the physical path between us and France is fibre, which means that you look at the speed of light.
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Because the distance is great enough that it has an impact.
The undersea fibre has repeaters every x amount of km ( im not sure how many km ) infact the biggest part of the undersea cable is the power lines for all the repeaters on the line. Everytime a repeater is "hit" latency gets added. All of these add up together to add abase minimum that you can expect. This does not even account for traffic shaping and congestion.....
 
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